H1 Visa for 5k$ and extra flight ticket charge to USA

[rajesh reddy]

1)I have only 8 months exp in java and j2ee and i Have 4 years Enggnering Computer science degre.I have cleared SCJP and SCWCD recently.Concept wise i am confident i think i can clear interview in india for 15 months exp position.But i dont the interview process in USA.Is it good decission to go to USA with only 8 months exp because i see only people going to USA with more than 2years exp on H1.Can i get job with only 8 months experience in j2ee if i am concept wise confident.

2)The deal is like this:
I have to pay 5000US$, they will get the H1 done which will be effective from october 2005.but I should plan to go to USA in January 2006 because generaly NOV and DEC job market is not good they said. Is it really worth spending this money in moving to US? leaving the current job.

3)Consultant is my relative.He is saying that if ur technically confident and have good communication skills than u can get job in USA.

4) Plz give me suggestions on job market.I am little bit scared to go USA leaving the current job in india.Even after going there i should search for a job.How many days would it take to get job if i am technically strong.

5) St.Louis, MO 63017,USA.This is the place were i will be moving dependending on ur suggeations.How is java job market there in january.

Thanks

[Anand Prabhu]

Originally posted by rajesh reddy:
1)I have only 8 months exp in java and j2ee and i Have 4 years Enggnering Computer science degre.I have cleared SCJP and SCWCD recently.Concept wise i am confident i think i can clear interview in india for 15 months exp position.But i dont the interview process in USA.Is it good decission to go to USA with only 8 months exp because i see only people going to USA with more than 2years exp on H1.Can i get job with only 8 months experience in j2ee if i am concept wise confident.

2)The deal is like this:
I have to pay 5000US$, they will get the H1 done which will be effective from october 2005.but I should plan to go to USA in January 2006 because generaly NOV and DEC job market is not good they said. Is it really worth spending this money in moving to US? leaving the current job.

3)Consultant is my relative.He is saying that if ur technically confident and have good communication skills than u can get job in USA.

4) Plz give me suggestions on job market.I am little bit scared to go USA leaving the current job in india.Even after going there i should search for a job.How many days would it take to get job if i am technically strong.

5) St.Louis, MO 63017,USA.This is the place were i will be moving dependending on ur suggeations.How is java job market there in january.

Thanks

Drop it...You seem to be wanting to chalk out a career in Java. Though you may have good technical knowledge, 8 months is not much of an experience. Personally, I feel that India is the best place for gathering initial technical knowledge and experience. Projects are not just about Java. They also involve other related skills like Unix, databases, legacy systems etc these days. Once you are here, you will be bunched with guys with years of experience and you may stand out. Also,you could be so busy maintaining and worrying about your visa status that you will be studying more to prepare for interviews than learning new skills.
Have patience. Get good experience. Then you will have a very good chance of being sent onsite without having to cough up the amounts mentioned above (by the way, the company shouldn't be asking you to pay $5,000 for the visa(does this include the plane ticket?)). This seems to be not in line with following the visa norms by this company (a red flag!). And they requesting you to come in certain months doesn't look right either. This company cannot give you a career and mostly is a pure bodyshopping firm. Be very cautious.

[Eric Lemaitre]

Hi !

Don't go at all, this is a trap :

1) This company is a crook bodyshopper, no one is allowed to sell US labour visas. They can afford it because USCIS seems totally ineffective (never heard about any form of retailation against foul companies as this one aobviously is, despite such testimonies are clearly visible on many forums).

2) This crook company surely has lawyers to protect herself, but not you, if you are get caught as an illegal you may be expulsed and be forbidden to work in US for years (? 5 ?). You would be obviously illegal as you must already have a US company as client before having the visa, the fact you have to look for one immediately shows you are an illegal by advance, so you cannot pretend you don't know.

3) There are many (? tens of thousands ?) native US jobless who have much more experience than you, don't go until you have some real kind of chance to find a job, 8 mounths is too tiny as experience.

4) US is right now a paramount of instability in IT field : many freshers cannot find a first job because of huge alien H1B availability, IT level is decreasing because only bodyshoppers can provide labour visa to aliens while honest US companies cannot (3 months wait strict minimum with patriot act), and seemingly total disappearance of civil innovation in IT field (all for military). What is more there still is a gigantic debate whether there lacks or not skilled IT people, industry says yes (skilled AND CHEAP of course) but labour officials say no (more unemployment in IT field than in others), with US gov totally unable to estimate anything sensible between these 2 extremes, leaving free way to bodyshoppers through present obsolescent visa labour system. So, right now, valuable IT growth lies in India and especially China, no more in US (or anywhere else). Stay in India and improve your skills, for you are already citizen of one of the 2 good countries for IT now.

Best regards.

[Amit Saini]

DOnt go for it.
This consultant is going to make 5k off you for the H1. And once you're in USA, hes going to change your resume completely to show fake experience. Naturally, once he puts 3 years expeience, you will start getting calls and companies are going to expect some performance from you. 8 months experience is barely anything. In fact, anything less than a year is considered 0. You're going to have a hard time defending your fake experience.

Continue gaining solid experience in India and come onsite through the right way.

BTW, has he promised you any pay package?

[John K. Smith]

No offence, but if you do go over to the US, you will need to use better English (particularly your grammar) as you seem semi-literate (but better than many others).

Good luck.

[rajesh reddy]

Thanku Mr Anand Prabhu,Eric Lemaitre,Amit Saini,John K. Smith for ur valuable suggestions and for spending valuable time.

1)Though I am technically strong and have SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD sun certifications getting job in USA is difficult without solid realtime exp right.

2)How many years exp should i have to get job in java feild.

1) This company is a crook bodyshopper, no one is allowed to sell US labour visas. They can afford it because USCIS seems totally ineffective (never heard about any form of retailation against foul companies as this one aobviously is, despite such testimonies are clearly visible on many forums).

As i said you earlier my relative is the president of consultant company.

2) This crook company surely has lawyers to protect herself, but not you, if you are get caught as an illegal you may be expulsed and be forbidden to work in US for years (? 5 ?). You would be obviously illegal as you must already have a US company as client before having the visa, the fact you have to look for one immediately shows you are an illegal by advance, so you cannot pretend you don't know.

He said that 5k is to be given for layers for visa processing
can i plz know how much money does the H1B visa cost.


I am totally confused what to decide.plz give some more suggestions

thanks

[Eric Lemaitre]

Hi rajesh !

1)Though I am technically strong and have SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD sun certifications getting job in USA is difficult without solid realtime exp right.

There is no contempt at all when I call you a beginner, everyone was a beginner at one time, experts too of course, but the issue is you are a beginner, and present market rejects beginners. Some US freshers posted they offered to work for free, even this is useless as only paid experience counts. So gather more paid experience is mandatory for you.

2)How many years exp should i have to get job in java feild.

Our indian ranch mates and recruiters seem to suggest 3 years is the ideal.

As i said you earlier my relative is the president of consultant company.

You have not to be rude to him, remain polite and refuse his proposals using arguments :
1) such similar offers usually range about 1,500-3,000 at most, so 5,000 is clearly much too expensive.
2) you have not enough paid experience so you will not find a job in US.
3) the form of his proposal is not conform to legality (don't use "totally illegal"), which means USCIS officials will reject you back home despite your H1B because if you cannot prove you are not employed by such US company (they will check, very easy and fast), your H1B is not valid anyway.
So explain him that his proposal will not be any use for you right now, perhaps later, he will consider you as someone smart who gathers relevant valuable info before taking important decisions, so don't hesitate to refuse.

He said that 5k is to be given for layers for visa processing. can i plz know how much money does the H1B visa cost.

There is no fixed amount as all these lawyers are private and will ask maximum fee whatever, but look back at previous posts in this very same forum and you will see that usual fees are about 1,500-3,000 at most, so 5,000 is clearly much too expensive. Of course this remains a theft anyway as officially you musn't pay ANYTHING for your visa, your sponsoring company has to, but of course as you have no real US sponsoring company no one can pay except you. Please be conscious that it remains totally illegal, but a long as there is no USCIS checking and no retaillation and as everyone does the same, why not...

I am totally confused what to decide.plz give some more suggestions

I strongly suggest you politely refuse for the 3 reasons quoted above.
Don't forget that this is clearly illegal, could cost you dearly if USCIS one day decides to check you, and is useless anyway right now as with so little experience you won't find a job in US. Clearly stay in India, which is one of the 2 good countries to be now for IT, improve your paid experience, and keep tuned with such occasions. In some 2 years perhaps...

But advice from our indian Javaranchers would be much welcomed.

Best regards.

[Amit Saini]

The H1 cost my company approx $3200 with premium processing and lawyer charges.

[trupti nigam]

Rajesh,
I have answered to the similar kind of question under the subject "Need advice regarding a job oppurtunity in US " few days back.
Please go through it.

I would advice you to not to come to US with only 8 months experience.Right now you should be in India as the IT job market is good there.

Please refuse your relatives proposal. Don't take any decision in haste.
Afterall you have to face the interview and get decent job and not your relative. He is doing his job of getting people from India so that his consulting company will stay alive.

Originally posted by rajesh reddy:
Thanku Mr Anand Prabhu,Eric Lemaitre,Amit Saini,John K. Smith for ur valuable suggestions and for spending valuable time.

1)Though I am technically strong and have SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD sun certifications getting job in USA is difficult without solid realtime exp right.

2)How many years exp should i have to get job in java feild.

1) This company is a crook bodyshopper, no one is allowed to sell US labour visas. They can afford it because USCIS seems totally ineffective (never heard about any form of retailation against foul companies as this one aobviously is, despite such testimonies are clearly visible on many forums).

As i said you earlier my relative is the president of consultant company.

2) This crook company surely has lawyers to protect herself, but not you, if you are get caught as an illegal you may be expulsed and be forbidden to work in US for years (? 5 ?). You would be obviously illegal as you must already have a US company as client before having the visa, the fact you have to look for one immediately shows you are an illegal by advance, so you cannot pretend you don't know.

He said that 5k is to be given for layers for visa processing
can i plz know how much money does the H1B visa cost.


I am totally confused what to decide.plz give some more suggestions

thanks

Thanks,
Trupti

[rajesh reddy]

1) Thank you Mr Eric Lemaitre and ranchers for opening my eyes before being cheated and explaining real situation.My father allready made money adjustments to give my relative.I will allways be thankfull to all the ranchers.


2) I have decided not to go till i gain some more solid experience and do some more certifications.

3) I want to ask u one thing pls dont mine how can my uncle do such things.He is staying in Missouri,USA since 15 years does the influence work out there because in india some times it works.How do u people think that when he said u can get job within 2 months after going USA if ur communication skills are good and technically strong.Even he knows that i will be having 14 months exp while going.He said SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD will definetly help u to get job even u have less experience is this true.


4) He said
2,500K=layer fees
2,500=visa processing

5) www.technosmarts.com consultant company website.How is this conultant company do any of the rancher know about it .Plz have a look at website

comments r most welcomed

6) H1 is for people with irreplacable skills that can't be found among the US workforce.

Is this statement really true.

But advice from our Javaranchers would be much welcomed.

[Kj Reddy]

Originally posted by rajesh reddy:

2) I have decided not to go till i gain some more solid experience and do some more certifications.

3) I want to ask u one thing pls dont mine how can my uncle do such things.He is staying in Missouri,USA since 15 years does the influence work out there because in india some times it works.How do u people think that when he said u can get job within 2 months after going USA if ur communication skills are good and technically strong.Even he knows that i will be having 14 months exp while going.He said SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD will definetly help u to get job even u have less experience is this true.

Even after you gain experience there is not point paying such huge amount for Visa. If any company sponsors then its good other wise you will be wasting your money. As India is most happening place for IT its not worth paying money and going to other countries.

Your Uncle main business should be pulling people from Inda for cheaper rates and make more money from their jobs. By charging higher rates from the employers and paying less to the developers he can earn good money. This is what some consultancies doing.
[ July 19, 2005: Message edited by: Jagdish Reddy ]

[soniya saxena]

3) I want to ask u one thing pls dont mine how can my uncle do such things.

If you are lucky, you will indeed find a job. If you are luckier, you will be able to sustain. But contracts under current conditions may not exceed 3-6 months. So just imagine the number of times you would have to be lucky and luckier to spend a reasonable period of time in the US. And lets say, you were lucky the first time to get into a contract, your uncle would be able to justify his stand. The rest, he would say, is upto your abilities and skillsets.


4) He said
2,500K=layer fees
2,500=visa processing

End of 2003, they had eliminated 1000$ from visa processing fee which brought down the cost to 130$. I think later that became around 185$. Indian consulting companies typically have some setup with Indian lawyers who wouldn't charge much, hence the total of visa + lawyer fees would be around 1000$. I had heard that the 1000$ would be re-introduced later, but I am not sure if that has happened.




5) www.technosmarts.com consultant company website.How is this conultant company do any of the rancher know about it .Plz have a look at website

Most consulting websites look like this. Can't make any conclusions looking at any website.


6) H1 is for people with irreplacable skills that can't be found among the US workforce.
Is this statement really true.

Nope.
[ July 20, 2005: Message edited by: soniya saxena ]

[rashmi choudhary]

Hi Rajesh

1)Though I am technically strong and have SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD sun certifications getting job in USA is difficult without solid realtime exp right.

If u r confident and having SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD u can easily get job in USA.I heard job market is good for java.

2)How many years exp should i have to get job in java feild.

As u said earlier if u r technically confidnet than I think you can easily get job.Experience doesnt matter lot in many situations.


) This company is a crook bodyshopper, no one is allowed to sell US labour visas. They can afford it because USCIS seems totally ineffective (never heard about any form of retailation against foul companies as this one aobviously is, despite such testimonies are clearly visible on many forums).

As i said you earlier my relative is the president of consultant company.

i dont agree with this.If the company belongs to ur relative and if u have money guarentee.plz accept the offer and proceed further steps

2) This crook company surely has lawyers to protect herself, but not you, if you are get caught as an illegal you may be expulsed and be forbidden to work in US for years (? 5 ?). You would be obviously illegal as you must already have a US company as client before having the visa, the fact you have to look for one immediately shows you are an illegal by advance, so you cannot pretend you don't know.

He said that 5k is to be given for layers for visa processing
can i plz know how much money does the H1B visa cost.

There is no any fixed prize for visa processing it depends on consultant.If u have belief on ur uncle plz go further.

I am totally confused what to decide.plz give some more suggestions


plz dont miss this golden opportunity.Many of my friends went to USA as a fresher they all got good jobs and all r happy.
One of my friends visa is approved he has only 10 months exp in java like you

[dileep krishna]

Hi Rajesh

recently many of my friends who have passed BE/B-Tech CSE in 2004 have got the H1 Visa approved by paying 3 lakhs indian rupees to consultants or their relatives who r in USA and went to USA they all got good jobs

I mean to say if u r confident technically and have 1 yr exp with sun certifications than u can get job within 3 months after going there.


As u said that u have to pay 5k$.If u pay 5k$ u can earn 5000 $ within 3 months and recover the money after going there.So dont worry about paying money now.

As rashmi said earlier dont miss this golden opportunity now.If u miss this opportunity now u have to wait for 1 year because visa process will be stopped for this year





other rancher suggestions r most welcomed

[Vishwa Kumba]

Originally posted by rashmi choudhary:
plz dont miss this golden opportunity.Many of my friends went to USA as a fresher they all got good jobs and all r happy.
One of my friends visa is approved he has only 10 months exp in java like you

No wonder the native professionals in the current job scenario, hate us so much!

[Vishwa Kumba]

Originally posted by dileep krishna:
recently many of my friends who have passed BE/B-Tech CSE in 2004 have got the H1 Visa approved by paying 3 lakhs indian rupees to consultants or their relatives who r in USA and went to USA they all got good jobs

Are you sure they are working in IT?

[Vishwa Kumba]

Rajesh,
I appreciate your initiative for coming to the ranch for advice. Sorry, for discouraging you like this , but I consider 8 months exp is too little an experience for you to survive in the US job market as a contractor. It may be possible to fake your documents, CV, Visa Application and land up in US by giving money to bodyshoppers due to the loopholes in the US labour system. But later you may have to repent and be sorry for yourself, when you stay on bench forever. The quality of life that you have in India would be much better than the life that you would have in the US, if do not have a job.

I strongly disagree with Rashmi and Dileep's views. There may be a few people who managed to survive for a few months by faking experience in the US, especially if they were lucky enough, to have not been caught, but I don't think they can survive long in the current job scenario.
My advice for you would be to work in India, gain some good experience in various technologies for atleast another 2 years and then think about moving abroad.

Good Luck!

[Praveen Nagpal]

There is another thing.. what I don't understand is the desperation of going to US? may be u can earn a bit more but ur life will always be uncertain.

So my advice, if u really want it so bad.. go through a proper channel. At this stage of your career, the only proper channel will be through higher studies or as a tourist :-)

Regarding IT Jobs, have some patience, Indian companies are good for your initial grounding and experience and going from their side will give you a lot more secure feeling than being a loner searching for jobs in a place where none exist. Even the money factor is not such a big differentiator these days as it used to be.. say 5 years ago.

[Eric Lemaitre]

Hi Vishwa !

No wonder the native professionals in the current job scenario, hate us so much!

Couldn't be better said Vishwa, this is obviously a foul case for H1B which proves massive importation of cheap (as a beginner he must be cheap) alien IT professionnals which will necessarilly harm US native jobs in current market is still perfectly possible without any issue for the crooks.

Please note that the indian chap involved is not responsible at all, but the involved bodyshopper and USCIS who never react against any such abuse clearly are.

The whole labour immigration system is totally perverted and must be changed.

Best regards.

[trupti nigam]

I strongly disagree with dileep and rashmi.
You guys are in India (I guess from your post) and have heard about the job situation through your friends or other resources. Always remember "Grass is always greener on the other side"
The job scenario is not like the one used to be in dot com boom. Many companies are outsourcing the work.
With so little experience please do not come to US. You can be lucky one time but not always to land up in a good opportunity.
Life in US is good as long as you have stable job. Once you are out of job life can be real miserable (with all sorts of insurance , rent etc.) which
won't be the case if you are in India where you have support of your family and you don't have to worry about your visa status once you loose the job.

Thanks,
Trupti

[Luke Kolin]

Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:
Couldn't be better said Vishwa, this is obviously a foul case for H1B which proves massive importation of cheap (as a beginner he must be cheap) alien IT professionnals which will necessarilly harm US native jobs in current market is still perfectly possible without any issue for the crooks.

Eric, if this situation proves that bringing in this individual on an H-1B would harm US jobs, then you wouldn't here a constant refrain of "you won't be able to get a job, don't do it" from everyone else in this forum.

Because if what you said was true, being a cheap inexperienced non-immigrant worker would mean that employers would be jumping over themselves to hire him!

Cheers!

Luke

[Mike Gershman]

Luke:

An H1B holder with 10 months experience may not be their first choice, but employers will still take him over a US applicant with the same experience.

Of course, the body shop will change the applicant's resume to show 2-5 years experience. The employer won't be fooled, he just won't care because the price is right.

H1B abuse has three consquences. Experienced US programmers make less money because the comparable wage requirement is totally unenforced. Beginning US programmers have to struggle to even get an interview because junior H1B holders with fake resumes are hired in preference to US freshers. US students don't choose careers in IT because the entry jobs are not available to them.

H1B abuse makes good business sense for individual employers but leaves the US without the next generation of IT people. Only government enforcement will change anything.

[Luke Kolin]

Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
An H1B holder with 10 months experience may not be their first choice, but employers will still take him over a US applicant with the same experience. Of course, the body shop will change the applicant's resume to show 2-5 years experience. The employer won't be fooled, he just won't care because the price is right.

You can't force an employer to pick the more expensive option. If they want cheap over good, they're going to do so. Joel Spolsky had one of his occasionally good entries this week called "Hitting the High Notes". Again, if what you say is so rampant then you wouldn't have all sorts of people (including our Indian participants) warning the original poster that what you are worried about simply will not happen, and he is extremely unlikely to be hired.

[qB]H1B abuse makes good business sense for individual employers but leaves the US without the next generation of IT people. Only government enforcement will change anything.

Considering that the majority of non-immigrant workers are from First World countries, I am unsure of how they can have this effect. Offshoring affects far more workers than the H-1B ever could.

Luke

[Eric Lemaitre]

Hi Luke !

Eric, if this situation [b]proves that bringing in this individual on an H-1B would harm US jobs, then you wouldn't here a constant refrain of "you won't be able to get a job, don't do it" from everyone else in this forum.[/B]

This is not what I said, I said it proves obvious H1B abuses as this one (I already said I don't blame the guy) are easy and widespread. I have nothing against H1B if it is applied properly, but when badly used they can simply sign the disparition of every native US IT professionnal in a matter of a very few years.

As Mike Gershman above stated, with comparable experience alien IT immigrants will always be preferred to native US as long as they are available, because they provide quite the same job but are much cheaper and won't try to defend any social right by fear of compromising future permament residency status. This situation is well known to prevent an awful lot of freshers or native US with light experience to find a job, and anyway lower the wages of thoses who find one. If it lasts long enough, it could mean total anihilation of IT in US universities for beginners job finding hardships and low wages, untill perhaps some positive discrimination law allows US native minorities to have a decent job in this field.

You guess I am in favour of H1B when properly applied, against with present abuses.

Best regards.

[Luke Kolin]

Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:
I have nothing against H1B if it is applied properly, but when badly used they can simply sign the disparition of every native US IT professionnal in a matter of a very few years.

Fair enough - and we've had enough H-1B threads for a while.

Let me add my own 2c - when I first started looking for a job in the US I had around 18 months' experience and what was being offered didn't appear all that attractive. After another 18 months I started looking again, and what I found was a lot nicer. I'd be very hesitant to go with no job lined up.

Out of curiosity (for our original poster) the sponsor would be a relative. What would the rest of your family do to him if he screws you over? That might be the best predictor of this situation ending on a happy note!

Cheers!

Luke

[Amit Saini]

recently many of my friends who have passed BE/B-Tech CSE in 2004 have got the H1 Visa approved by paying 3 lakhs indian rupees to consultants or their relatives who r in USA and went to USA they all got good jobs

I mean to say if u r confident technically and have 1 yr exp with sun certifications than u can get job within 3 months after going there.


As u said that u have to pay 5k$.If u pay 5k$ u can earn 5000 $ within 3 months and recover the money after going there.So dont worry about paying money now.

As rashmi said earlier dont miss this golden opportunity now.If u miss this opportunity now u have to wait for 1 year because visa process will be stopped for this year

Please dont offer wrong guidance for coming to USA. There are other legit ways of coming to the USA and as someone else pointed out before, coming here for higher education is the best way.

Even if you come here through improper means, your projects are going to be of really short duration. Most times, barely 3-4 months. You will find yourself defending your fake resume (prepared by the consultant) again n again. Instead, come for higher studies, like a MS-CS and then look for a job. There are still companies that hire entry level graduates. Loads of companies visit the university campuses every year to hire fresh grad students.

In any case, my advice is dont come to USA through improper means. It's not worth it.
[ July 27, 2005: Message edited by: Amit Saini ]