Regd Job Oppurtunity for fresher

[Santana Iyer]

Hello All,

I recently completed graduation in Computer Engineering.
I am resident of Mumbai, India.
I am preparing for SCJP1.4.
I wanted to know how much certification can help me in job hunting.
What are chances?

What shall I learn after certification.
I did course in j2ee and .net also, so shall I learn j2ee and go for interview or learn .net just to have mix skills.

After completing scjp1.4 shall I start with some other certification if so
which ones?

Bye.

[Santana Iyer]

just forgot one point.

my friends say big companies do not give weightage to cert.
is it true comps like Accenture etc.

[Ramesh Choudhary]

As far as I know, Indian Companies give importance to Experience rather than certification. As you are a fresher, preparing for Certification may NOT be an Ideal way to spend your time. I do not know SCJP and other Java certifications, there is a talk that some people who claim to have cleared microsoft certifications do not know a dime about underlying technology. Companies may ignore you even if you have spent sweat and time on getting the certification.
[ August 15, 2005: Message edited by: Ramesh Choudhary ]

[soniya saxena]

you dont have to do anything special. just go job hunting and you will find one soon. the market cannot be better. hope your academics are reasonable.

[satishkumar janakiraman]

Hi

Definitely Certification will help to shortlist your profile. Prepare well and concentrate on the basic concepts. You will definitely get.
Something is better than Nothing. so prepare your next certification also.

bye for now
sat

[Marc Peabody]

1) It can't hurt.
2) If you're unemployed you have the time to study.

[Sundar Murthi]

Hi santata.,

One year before i too in the same position like you. SCJP helped me to get the job. As per Ramesh reply u can't get in bigger companies, but u can easily get in small to medium level companies. In chennai companies like Sella , EG innovation, etc respecting and giving chance to SJCP fresh candidate.

Wish u best of luck for ur SCJP exam.

[Santana Iyer]

Thanks for reply,

Does mark matter a lot, I mean shall I try too hard and try and get too high score or rather than say waiting for month go and get cert.

What score is reasonable?

One more is it always true that big companies do not give credential to certificate?

After cert what shall I learn .net or j2ee (servlet/jsp/ejb)
I did take course in both but what should I focus on?

bye.

[Sharma Anjali]

>>Does mark matter a lot, I mean shall I try too hard and try and get too high score or rather than say waiting for month go and get cert.
IMHO Certs and marks both don't matter, but the knowledge you gain while preparing for these certs definetely matter.

>>What score is reasonable?
Good score doesn't hurt. I scored 100% in OCP,SCJP and 96% in SCWCD but no one gave a second look at it. But its not causing me harm in any way. Knowledge gained in the process definetely helped me.

>>One more is it always true that big companies do not give credential to certificate?
From my experience no one cares about certs, be it a small or a big company. Others may have different exp.

>>After cert what shall I learn .net or j2ee (servlet/jsp/ejb)
>>I did take course in both but what should I focus on?

Both are equally good. Depends on your interest. Don't know about dot net but as a fresher good knowledge of Core Java, Servlets and JSP will be more than sufficient to get into a good company. No one asks EJB questions from freshers provided you have not written in your resume.

HTH
[ August 17, 2005: Message edited by: Sharma Anjali ]

[Santana Iyer]

Thanks a lot Anjali, Thanks to others also.

[Sania Marsh]

Read different opinions.
Here is mine.
We are in US but hire folks in India.
It is very helpful to know if the person has Sun certification (we hire java developers).
we just pick and choose few questions, if the answers are correct, plus certification - hired.
no certification and no background is a pain. to ensure their school program covered all we need, we have to have 20-30 min interviews, over the phone it is too hard.

So I would say - yes. Go for certification. We are not huge company but we are software company with about 400 IT people in india. In any big company people like us would be hiring. You can never guess what's on their mind, but the more proofs of knowlege you have the better.

By the way.. don't know about .net, but SCJP covers just what we expect our freshers to know.

[dileep krishna]

My dear friend Santana and all job-seekers,

6 months before i too was in the same position like you. SCJP and SCWCD1.4 helped me to get the job.

I followed the suggestion of ranchers and subscribed to [email protected] in this group in folders section u will find mail id of companies and consultants arranged according to cities.Post ur resume to all this ids i assure that u will definetly keep getting calls.

Try sending your resume to consultants,naukri.com,etc,start at a low level,gradually within a short span of 2/3 years , you will do well,further,you come from Maharastra,why not apply directly to firms in Mumbai and pune.


Keep visiting all the groups for freshers.
say [email protected]. (Enroll urself if you are not a member yet..)Most of the companies like TCS, CTS call for freshers very often. They will intimate their employess if any recruitment is on. So keep in touch with the employees. I'll let u now if I come across any openings. Don't hesitate to travel long distances for any interviews. Mail your resume to all the consultants like tvainfotech. . Surely you will get calls.

All the best and keep on trying.

wishing you luck!!!

[Sania Marsh]

I have noticed one thing.

Those seniors don't care for certification who don't have them theirselves.

Kind of "So what?" attitude.

I have seen many developers who had years of experience and no understanding of basic concepts, like how static is used.
I think certification is very good addition to any resume.

[Santana Iyer]

I thank all very much!!!

Thanks for sincerly replying with a lot of inputs.
I got worried because I heard from few places that certification is not imp especially for fresher etc.
But I am going for it.

[Kj Reddy]

Originally posted by Sania Marsh:

Those seniors don't care for certification who don't have them theirselves.

I dont agree with this. I dont have certification but when I am interviewing a person with certification I do ask very few basic concepts. I will take less time to interview a person with certification then a person without certification. But I seen people not having much understanding about basic concepts even they have certifcation. So certification is a plus point but the interviewer cant depend on certification completely.

[Sharma Anjali]

Originally posted by KJ Reddy:

But I seen people not having much understanding about basic concepts even they have certifcation. So certification is a plus point but the interviewer cant depend on certification completely.

I totally agree. There are lot of people who clear certification by using dumps and hence they don't get much knowledge. So interviewers can't totally depend on certs.

Originally posted by KJ Reddy:


I dont agree with this. I dont have certification but when I am interviewing a person with certification I do ask very few basic concepts. I will take less time to interview a person with certification then a person without certification.

Good to know that you give some value to certs. Unfortunately, I have never come across an interviewer who gave any importance to certs, in the 6-7 interviews that I have given. But if I ever have to interview someone I'll certainly consider a certification as a plus since I know its a lot of hard work to get one.

[Mike Gershman]

SCJP didn't get me any interviews but the Kathy trivia I had to study for SCJP definitely helped me pass the interviews. (Thanks Kathy )

I agree that managers who never earned a Sun Java certification are not likely to understand or respect what is certified.
[ August 20, 2005: Message edited by: Mike Gershman ]

[Kj Reddy]

Originally posted by Sharma Anjali:

Unfortunately, I have never come across an interviewer who gave any importance to certs, in the 6-7 interviews that I have given.

Some times you wont know that the interviewer is giving value to your certification. Just for example when I am taking interview I will start with basic fundamentals. If the person is having certification and answered well for first few questions then I wont ask much on fundamentals and move to test other areas. So this will saves 5 to 10 mins of my time in the interview process.

[Sania Marsh]

Originally posted by KJ Reddy:


I dont agree with this. I dont have certification but when I am interviewing a person with certification I do ask very few basic concepts. I will take less time to interview a person with certification then a person without certification. But I seen people not having much understanding about basic concepts even they have certifcation. So certification is a plus point but the interviewer cant depend on certification completely.

I didn't mean what you understood.
I didn't tell that all senior who don't have certification don't care for it. Rather - those who don't care usually don't have it theirselves.
I think it is a big difference.

Are you talking about Sun certification?
I don't respect any other java certificats than Sun's. I think, for example, Brainbench's certifications are not good evaluators.

I don't believe any Sun certified programmer would not know basics. Especially if they passed with good score.
You have to know the material and have logic in order to pass it.
Just perfect to evaluate freshers.

Have you asked for proof of certification from those who weren't good?
I just don't believe someone with SCJP would have bad basic knowlege
[ August 20, 2005: Message edited by: Sania Marsh ]

[Sania Marsh]

Originally posted by KJ Reddy:


Some times you wont know that the interviewer is giving value to your certification.

Agree.
How can one know what they are giving importance to? Unless they tell - you won't know.
How can one also know that certification didn't get them interview?
Do they ask interviewer the reason they were called?

Honestly, if I have two resumes infront of me with similar experience, but one with certification and other not. I will never choose not to contact certified guy and contact not certified. Even if we are talking about 5-7 years of experience.
I'm not telling certification is reason to hire, but certification is a definite plus. Again, I'm talking ablut Sun certification

[Kj Reddy]

Originally posted by Sania Marsh:


I didn't mean what you understood.
I didn't tell that all senior who don't have certification don't care for it. Rather - those who don't care usually don't have it theirselves.
I think it is a big difference.

Sorry if I didnt understood what you said and posted something not related to your posting.

Are you talking about Sun certification?
I don't respect any other java certificats than Sun's. I think, for example, Brainbench's certifications are not good evaluators.

When I am taking interview I will never consider Brainbench's certifications as it can be written by any one on any one's name. Brainbench's certification is good when you put test directly on interviewing candidate.

I don't believe any Sun certified programmer would not know basics. Especially if they passed with good score.
You have to know the material and have logic in order to pass it.
Just perfect to evaluate freshers.

Have you asked for proof of certification from those who weren't good?
I just don't believe someone with SCJP would have bad basic knowlege

I had seen few people with Sun certification and not good in basic fundamentals. Especially not good in OOPS related concepts. They had more than 2+ yrs experience in Java. I know they have certification and with above 80%. I am not supposed to ask them to show their certificates but as a team lead I need to mentor them and explained few fundamentals many times.