how to get job in sun as a fresher..

[mani kanth]

hi friends am manikanth currently persuing m.c.a. 5th semister in bangalore india.am scjp and giving my scwcd exam in this month 20th . kindly suggest me people who are working in sun and have any idea about sun microsystems. its my dream comapny so, what wil be the interview procedures and what are the rounds i have to clear. am fresher so i dont have much idea, how to get into sun(bangalore).the people who are working in sun please give me your valuable suggestions to mould up my carrier...
what type of things they are working , is there any chance to get job for fresher in sun.

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[aashu garg]

hi mani

as a fresher
for shortlisting in big companies without any experience.
u need stamp of iit or rec,

i know after passing scjp and scwcd exam
u can crack interview,
but for entry , or shortlisting
ur resume must have stamp of reputed college.
this is prequisite condition if u are not experienced,
Even if u have done all the certification of sun
they will not shortlist u .
this is the general policy of great companies

[mani kanth]

thanks for replying............

[Mani vannan]

hi mani kanth,

Glad to see that you have great dream. Ofcourse, same as mine. What aashu said in previous post is absolutely right.

Giants like Sun and Goolge are interested only in looking on fresher resumes, which contain the words:'IIT' or 'BITS'.

But, dont need to worry. We can improve skills for some years working at any companies. Then, can try there with our experience and expertise.

Cheers.

[mani kanth]

hope so we wil get in sun (future)........

[unni krishna]

Hi Friends,

I am from an second tier college in Tamilnadu. But with 5+ years of experience, I presently have an offer from Sun Bangalore. I could have achieved this much much earlier, had I concentrated in better way on building my career. So, my advice to all those who want to make it into big technology companies like Sun is,

* Lean Java basics very well. SCJP book by Kathy Sierra, would be a great starting point.

* Read specifications from SUN. (Servlet specification, EJB specification etc). This is a key point, I started reading it very very late in my career.

* Set your browser homepage to any java related site like theserverside.com or javaworld.com. You may end up reading some good articles.

* Learn some design patterns. Get one, Head First Design Patterns book and read.

* Have some understanding of protocols like TCP/IP, HTTP etc.

* Try to develop a friends circle where you can discuss and share the knowledge that you acquire.

* Try to get a mentor in your present company.

* Try attending some local company interviews to measure your knowledge.

[mani kanth]

hi unnikrishna sir,

thankyou for your valuable suggestions i have not cheacked your reply for my post from long back as my system got effected with some virus so. sorry for my delay reply. really your suggesion is so much help ful . am saving the whole post what you replied really i got now the way how to get into my dream company.am currently doing my m.c.a. 5th semister bangalore. and am appearing scwcd may be this month end.are jan first week. i want to be in contact with you if you dont mind please can i have your mail address.

mine is
[email protected]
[email protected]
waiting for your reply.

[Stuart Ash]

Originally posted by rehans oberoi:



hi stuart
are you working in the sun as a software engineer
or working as a english teacher in sun .
anyway first step is good programming skills and ability to
solve puzzles .

If you cannot express what technical stuff you know properly and correctly enough, they won't take you anyways.

Programming skills are what you learn in high school or university or later, basic communication skills reflect what you learned since childhood.
[ December 27, 2005: Message edited by: Stuart Ash ]

[shalu sharma]

Originally posted by rehans oberoi:


are you working in the sun as a software engineer
or working as a english teacher in sun .
anyway first step is good programming skills and ability to
solve puzzles .

The topic has taken a interesting turn, well here I would like to tell my experiences in one quite reputed CMM level 5 company well known all across india, I had cleared all the rounds all the rounds of technical interview and in the last round which was with the BUH, he noticed a small gramatical error when I explaining about my job profile and responsibilities in my current company. He started asking the present and past tenses of the english words and even asked me to translate the sentence to hindi.

I had never thought of such questions in wildest of my dreams, he later justified saying that we are looking you for a onsite assignment, hence these questions. I found it to be absolute rubbish. Here I would like to add that I have 5.5 yrs of exp and am currently working for a similary reputed CMM Level 5 company.

would like to hear the viewpoint of other ranchers on this.

Shalu

[arnel nicolas]

well, ditto here with Stuart. As an engineer, you do not only need to master all the the technical stuff. You need also to learn some basic communication since some of your time you might be dealing with your clients. You really don't need to perfect this, but at least try to get to the point where you you can express yourself and at the same time make them understand you. Some projects fails because of communication barriers.

[Stuart Ash]

Originally posted by arnel nicolas:
well, ditto here with Stuart. As an engineer, you do not only need to master all the the technical stuff. You need also to learn some basic communication since some of your time you might be dealing with your clients. You really don't need to perfect this, but at least try to get to the point where you you can express yourself and at the same time make them understand you. Some projects fails because of communication barriers.

It's largely an attitude thing, whether one wants overall development or pure hamfisted technical "advancement." Between two technical good people, all other things being equal, the one who communicates more clearly and correctly will more likely be opted for.

As seen in this thread, a lot of techies seem to take offense at someone pointing out the reality beyond the pure technical realm.

With incidents such as the one narrated above, one can either take guard and work for one's improvement, or remain sore with the experience.

It would be good if some people can take these points more positively than observed here so far.
[ December 29, 2005: Message edited by: Stuart Ash ]

[Roger Chung-Wee]

I review a lot of code, and I have to say that the quality of documentation, eg specifications and Javadoc, is often abysmal. Too many people think that their job is about churning out lots of code quickly, but in my view they cannot be regarded as competent developers. It never ceases to amaze me how many people feel no embarrassment at releasing such poor quality documentation to their coworkers or clients.

[mani kanth]

mr .stuart ash....

for your kind information i want to tell you one thing the question which i had asked , is no related with the answer which you had given...first of all you don have sense and one can find easily the headweight of yours in the reply.. this forum is friendly. and i expected some suggestions , and there is a way to suggest people . Even though am doing my pg i have completed till my graduation in regional meadium and in a small village.Every step in my life am trying to improve my self.ofcourse what you replied to me is also there is an suggestion which is valuable.

but remember its not the right way to suggest people. your reply got hurt me badly.



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Don't point out finger towards some ones mistake ,because remaining fingers of you are showing mistakes in you.
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[Stuart Ash]

Originally posted by mani kanth:
mr .stuart ash....

for your kind information i want to tell you one thing the question which i had asked , is no related with the answer which you had given...first of all you don have sense and one can find easily the headweight of yours in the reply.. this forum is friendly. and i expected some suggestions , and there is a way to suggest people . Even though am doing my pg i have completed till my graduation in regional meadium and in a small village.Every step in my life am trying to improve my self.ofcourse what you replied to me is also there is an suggestion which is valuable.

but remember its not the right way to suggest people. your reply got hurt me badly.



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Don't point out finger towards some ones mistake ,because remaining fingers of you are showing mistakes in you.
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Mani, I am sorry if my answer hurt you. My apologies; I didn't intend to be harsh. I will remove that first post. However, the rest of what I said stands.
[ December 29, 2005: Message edited by: Stuart Ash ]

[Anand Prabhu]

Originally posted by shalu sharma:



He started asking the present and past tenses of the english words and even asked me to translate the sentence to hindi.

I don't know what the guy was upto. Yes, I do understand that he would want to make sure that you could communicate well onsite and make sure that you do not create an unfavourable impression on the clients. But why would he want to "translate the sentence to Hindi" ?

[shalu sharma]

Even I never understood :roll:

[Henry Wong]

Originally posted by Anand Prabhu:

I don't know what the guy was upto. Yes, I do understand that he would want to make sure that you could communicate well onsite and make sure that you do not create an unfavourable impression on the clients. But why would he want to "translate the sentence to Hindi" ?

If I had to guess, I would say that he already decided "no", and was more looking for some justification.

IMHO, interviews are two directional. The interviewer want to find the best person for the job, but the applicant is also looking to learn about the position/company. Running the applicant through the gauntlet is basically giving a negative image of the position.

Henry

[mani kanth]

hi stuart even am sorry too.Iwill surely improve my self thanks for your valuable suggestion.

don keep all this in mind and keep on respon.. to my postd thanks.

i wish you a happy new year...
bye

[Stuart Ash]

Originally posted by mani kanth:
hi stuart even am sorry too.Iwill surely improve my self thanks for your valuable suggestion.

don keep all this in mind and keep on respon.. to my postd thanks.

i wish you a happy new year...
bye

Happy New Year Mani.

I'm glad you are willing to take this positively. It will help if one doesn;t take such things personally, but I know it is easy to get hurt.

You might want to start another thread where you discuss how you can possibly improve yourself.


And now, talking about the original matter about job at Sun, I once met a software engineer who had been working at Sun (in India, which is where you are from.) He was telling me that some of the work is good, but he didn't see too many growth prospects there -- a lot of people are in fairly senior positions, so it's that much tougher. Plus while the work was interesting (because you're doing stuff that will get into the JDK or related stuff,) the pay wasn't very attractive.


It might help you dig into how Sun has grown as a company -- considering that its originally line of business is quite different from what attracts you to it. This might help you understand the scene at Sun more clearly and decide whether it's really the place you want to be in.

And whether your desire is tempered or not, you can go ahead and work on improving yourself - technical and soft skills, that will help anywhere you go.



Quoting your reason for blaming your current levels on your modest background (regional medium education, low exposure etc.) you can work on compensating for them now, so that you don't have to quote your background.

If I may quote from Indian philosophy, karma is not just the result of what you did in the past, it can also be what you can do now to make your tomorrow better.

All the best, and don't hesitate to get in touch for any help.
[ January 02, 2006: Message edited by: Stuart Ash ]

[mani kanth]

hi stuart,
thanks for your suggestions ofcourse i need your advise ,further help and guidance too ,what ever i do in future. and i need your email id so that i can get my suggestions from you through mail so.

my mail id

[email protected]
[email protected]

send me your mail id.thanks for being my friend bye and take care.

[Stuart Ash]

Originally posted by mani kanth:
hi stuart,
thanks for your suggestions ofcourse i need your advise ,further help and guidance too ,what ever i do in future. and i need your email id so that i can get my suggestions from you through mail so.

my mail id

[email protected]
[email protected]

send me your mail id.thanks for being my friend bye and take care.

For now let's use this forum, further on, maybe we can decide to take it offline via email.

[shalu sharma]

Originally posted by Henry Wong:


If I had to guess, I would say that he already decided "no", and was more looking for some justification.

Henry

May be u are correct as later on I found that the salary that I had asked was much more that they usually give. But the HR person never pointed out this to me even when she called up and I was out of town. They waited for me to take that last round interview for around for around 2 weeks.

[Jignesh Patel]

If I may quote from Indian philosophy, karma is not just the result of what you did in the past, it can also be what you can do now to make your tomorrow better.

Stuart,
Quite Interesting. How did you know "GEETA"

Sorry guys for being offtrack.
The biggest difference between US and India is-- in India big companies need big degree to do maintainance job(I prefer smaller companies where I can learn something then big banners where I do bug fixing) and in USA they need brain to do development work. So USA degree is not very imp then experience but in India degree matters a lot.
Only optimistick scenario in India is- Many People started realizing that degree is not very IMP as far as software field concerns.

Also don't go after big companies, there are lot many mid size companies who can pay much better then biggies.

So as I mentioned degree is not IMP, same way comapnies are not IMP. The company which help you to build your career are IMP no matter how small or big it is.
[ January 03, 2006: Message edited by: Jignesh Patel ]

[s jain]

Hey Sun's india center is into what :
JDK development or product or projects?