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Hi All, i am in confusion and i need your help to sort it out.

Presently i am in india and working with a multi billion dollar MNC in telecom domain. But i am curious to go to US for two reasons 1). Money, 2). travel geographically. So my confusion is, I got calls from some consultants in india for H1B. If i accept the offer i will have to leave my
present company (reason to quit is, salary is not so good and domain is limited [Wireless]). Also i am afraid that what will happen here in US as they send you for contract jobs and you don't have any job securities (Which i have here in INDA). Sacrificing job security to money is okay??
Please help.
 
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That's the twenty-thousand dollar question sometimes - if job security or the cash is better.

It depends on your situation in life, your local job market, etc, and it's not really something one can tell you abstractly. It's different for each person, really, when it comes down to it. For instance, at the moment, I'm more inclined to take a bit of a trade-off in terms of money for the assurance that I won't abruptly be out in the cold without a job... but then again, I'm also married and supporting my wife, and we're talking about starting a family, not exactly a time where I want to be taking risks. On the other hand, four years ago when I was single and able to move, I was far more willing to go for the money.

So just bear in mind whether you're able to absorb some kind of difficulties before you decide that going for the riskier money is worth the possibility of having to look for yet another job.
 
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Originally posted by Prahlad Singh:
Hi All, i am in confusion and i need your help to sort it out.

Presently i am in india and working with a multi billion dollar MNC in telecom domain. But i am curious to go to US for two reasons 1). Money, 2). travel geographically. So my confusion is, I got calls from some consultants in india for H1B. If i accept the offer i will have to leave my
present company (reason to quit is, salary is not so good and domain is limited [Wireless]). Also i am afraid that what will happen here in US as they send you for contract jobs and you don't have any job securities (Which i have here in INDA). Sacrificing job security to money is okay??
Please help.




There is nothing like job security...anywhere in the world, except probably in a government office in India. What you call as job security in India is in fact because of a heavy premium you are paying by being grossly underpaid. Overall, you will always make a lot more money if you come to US and be unemployed even for 2-3 months an year.

If you are technically excellent, by that I mean, if you are really really good, there is no dearth of jobs in the US. Contracting is the best thing that ever happened I love it. I don't have to worry about appeasing bosses for "year end bonus" and promotion. It pays substantially better than a regular job. My advise to you is to come to US through a company that pays regular salary even on bench. Such companies pay less salary though. After 6 months, once you get a handle on the interview process, and life in the US in general, switch to a 90/10 contracting company such as H1BJobs.com . (no, I am not employed by that company but a similar one). You find your own projects and you can make a lot of money.

Caution: You have to be good in technical as well as communication skills. Ask your friends to evaluate you. If you are not, then don't even try 90/10. I have seen guys not getting projects for months. Finally they became permanent employees of some big companies
 
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Ram Bhakt,What do you mean by 90/10..I dont understand the term..Can you say about that please?
 
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Originally posted by Sanjay Ramasamy:
Ram Bhakt,What do you mean by 90/10..I dont understand the term..Can you say about that please?



Say you make 100$/hr, the company that got you the contract takes 10 while you get to keep the rest (90$). I guess this is what he meant.
 
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Ram, by this you mean an average programmer has no scope to move to US???
 
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Originally posted by Girish Sharma:
Ram, by this you mean an average programmer has no scope to move to US???



Which line of my post made you infer that???

90/10 is exactly what Karthik described. There are variations like 80/20 or 70/30. You have to work out which one is better for your situation.
 
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Originally posted by Ram Bhakt:


Which line of my post made you infer that???

90/10 is exactly what Karthik described. There are variations like 80/20 or 70/30. You have to work out which one is better for your situation.



The problem is how the hell I know the compay is 90/10 or 80/20 or 70/30?

The body shopper that I am working for told me 70/30 when I joined the company.
And then when the time comes(I mean I got a decent project through this company) they practically push me to take salery based one. All I want to know is my billing rate which they promise to open me initially. And they just simply have not given me the information.

So, I don't know about my billing rate and I feel like underpaid but my project is good one and the location is fantastic for me. Sometimes after I want to change my bodyshopper but I am so negative about them.

What they told me when I consider to join them doesn't matter later.
They are all same.
 
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Originally posted by Sung Kum Her:


So, I don't know about my billing rate and I feel like underpaid but my project is good one and the location is fantastic for me. Sometimes after I want to change my bodyshopper but I am so negative about them.

What they told me when I consider to join them doesn't matter later.
They are all same.




No, they are not. If you don't know your billing rate that means you are not even in percentage basis game. Most probabaly your employer found a project for you. So your case is entirely different.

There are several companies that work solely on the fact that H1B need a sponcer to work in US. So all they do is hold your H1B visa and do your payroll. For this they charge 10% of your billing. All other costs such as payroll, medical, unemployment insurance are borne by you.
Important thing is that YOU have to find a project for yourself and negotiate the billing rate, in which case YOU are telling the billing rate to the employer (so that they can take care of the paperwork) and not the otherway round.

I find this approach very clean and transparent. They do their job of doing the paperwork (collecting billing and maintaining payroll, green card) and I do my job of making money. No begging for promotion, no begging for more money. I get what the market is willing to pay for my skills. I have been working like this for past 5 yrs and have had absolutely no problems. I take long ( 2 months+ ) every year or so (no, I don't get paid for this vacation) and I pick the project that I like in the city that I like.

Please do not ask the name of my company. Google and ye shall find
 
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Originally posted by Ram Bhakt:


Please do not ask the name of my company. Google and ye shall find



Why not?

Just kidding. You information is so valuable for me. I actually didn't realize the difference between percentage and salary based payment from bodyshop until you told me. The key point is who find job, right?

So thank you~~
 
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Ram, how much is the scope for a guy with two years of exp in JAVA/J2EE?
Also if you can give any suggestions while looking for the body shoppers who will arrange for my H1 and other interviews as i am in INDIA presently
and need someone who will sponsor me. Response will be appreciated.
 
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People, Read this.
http://ia.rediff.com/money/2005/dec/19visa.htm?q=tp&file=.htm
 
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I hope you guys are aware that this is an illegal procedure. If you enjoy working on different projects, join a proper consulting company like Accenture , Sapient or Bearing Point.
Joining a body shopper who "gives you a job on paper without actually giving you a job" is illegal in the USA on H1.

I find this approach very clean and transparent.


Unfortunately, its not legal. You're encouraging someone to do something illegal.
 
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Originally posted by Amit Saini:

Unfortunately, its not legal. You're encouraging someone to do something illegal.



No, it's not illegal. Please avoid making sensationalistic statements without knowing the facts.

The fact is that ALL "consulting" companies, including IBM and Accenture make their "consultants" (H1Bs or non-H1Bs) work on client site.

I have confirmed this with an attroney and it is completely legal.
 
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Originally posted by Prahalad Singh:
Ram, how much is the scope for a guy with two years of exp in JAVA/J2EE?
Also if you can give any suggestions while looking for the body shoppers who will arrange for my H1 and other interviews as i am in INDIA presently
and need someone who will sponsor me. Response will be appreciated.



There is excellent scope for good candidates. What I am seeing is that number of years of experience only matters while determining the salary/billing rate. Employers are expecting even a 2-3 yr experienced person to have knowledge of a 6-7 yr experienced person. They expect you to be a kick ass Java (or Dot Net) guru with all other supporting technologies thrown in. Whether the project requires it or not doesn't matter. You must know your craft well.

In other words, number of years of experience as a parameter is becoming less and less relevant. Whether you know the stuff and whether you can get the job done is the key.

I am sorry but I cannot recommend/suggest any company. What I can suggest is that you should contact your friends or seniors from college who are already in the US and come through their companies. Don't worry about the salary or the company. Very few people get in the right company the first time. Once you are here, get a feel of the life here, keep your eyes and ears open, and you will know what to do

But then again, all this depends on how confident are you in your expertise.
 
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Thanks Ram, i must really appreciate your reply now.
 
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