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amit taneja
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hii see my post and no. of post i have .. i mean i m quite the old member of this forum and a fan also

but today when i put one long post which has having long text explanation about my technica problem .. typed by me

in that one word was written as "U" instead of you as abbrevation by mistake but its good you have put one warning that not to use this...and told us to use Back button to correct it but whenever i use back button my long text doesn't appear and i have to write whole text again

so you have not maintained any provision to put the data typed back
i am using internet explorer 6 and it happend with me twice

kindly do something
 
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You might try clicking on the icon for your post that looks like a piece of paper and a pencil - it will let you edit your prior post to make corrections.

Easier than the back button.
 
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Amit, I'm sorry to hear of your experience. Whever I try it, the back button successfully recovers the text. This is even true for inferior browsers such as IE. So I'm not sure what the cause of this is. We may be able to do something to include the rejected text in the message. However I'm concerned that if your browser is reloading the page entirely, it seems like you could well lose the error page as well - in which case, including the text in the error page does no good. Can you experiment a bit to see if you still have the error page to look at when this happens?

Theodore, I don't think your suggestino will work since you can only edit a post that has been successfully submitted. The error he's talking about prevents submission.
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Theodore, I don't think your suggestino will work since you can only edit a post that has been successfully submitted. The error he's talking about prevents submission.


My bad then - I haven't used, admittedly, any of those abbreviations, so I haven't apparently seen this...
 
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I have those problems too with IE, and not only at JavaRanch.

I think it would be better for our software not to rely on the browsers back button, but I'm not sure that it can be done with reasonable effort.
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
However I'm concerned that if your browser is reloading the page entirely, it seems like you could well lose the error page as well - in which case, including the text in the error page does no good.


I'm not sure what solution you are exactly imagining here, but I guess the best solution would be if the error page provided a link to an edit page that already pre-populated the text area with the previously entered text.

Certainly technically feasible in general, but as I said, not sure whether that's also true for the software we are using...
 
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Good point. I know I can just paste the offending text in the error message. Redirecting to an edit page will take just a bit more investigation; shouldn't be too hard. Except this UBB code often has annoying little gotchas...
 
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Right now I've got it pasting the original text in the error message. Looks like going to an edit window would be somewhat more complicated, as the input-checking code is actually called from a variety of contexts: posting a new thread, posting a reply, editing a post, sending a private message, and even editing your profile. And at the point where the checking occurs, there's not enough contextual info to know which of these to return to. Getting this to work would take somewhat more analysis and modification of the code, and my gut feeling is it's more trouble than it's worth here. Hacking this code gets messy quickly, and we don't have much of a safety net if I screw something up - I like to keep the modifications short and simple. I'll think about it some more and see if a better solution comes to mind. And I'm open to additional suggestions, though I can't promise they'll be acted on.
 
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Can we change the "Please use your browser's back button to return" to something that includes copying the text from the error page? I think if have that, it's already a *big* improvement over the old way.

Thanks for your effort, Jim!
 
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This kind of thing is a common hazard when posting a large chunk of text on a web page - they always seem to flunk out at the most inconvenient time.

I find the best thing to do is to write the post in something different, and then copy and paste the text into the web page. If something goes wrong, you can just copy it again.

With the combination of Firefox and Outlook this is really easy. When viewing the reply page I hit Ctrl-M, and a new email box pops up. I type the message, do a quick F7 to spell check it, and then copy the results into the browser form.
 
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I've modified the error message to include the following:

"WARNING: It's possible some browsers may lose the text of your post when you hit the back arrow. As a precaution, we recommend you copy your original text shown below, so that you can paste it into a new edit window if necessary."
 
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Very smooth Jim!


+1!
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
... Whenever I try it, the back button successfully recovers the text. This is even true for inferior browsers such as IE. ...

IE is horrible about stuff like this. At work (using IE), I always copy to the clipboard before trying to post so that I have a "backup." At home (using Safari), I can do whatever I please with no worries.
 
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Like you I'm stuck on XP at work* but use Firefox for all general browsing. IE is relegated to testing that my pages render as expected on it. Any reason you need to use IE for Ranch access?

* But maybe not for much longer -- I think I have convinced the powers-that-be that a MacBook Pro is in my future. W00t!
 
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Should not the title of this topic be changed to "really disappointed by Internet Explorer"?
 
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
...Any reason you need to use IE for Ranch access? ...

We're pretty locked down here at work. Ironically, IE is the only "approved" browser, and we can't install any other software on these machines. (It's our incarnation of Dilbert's "Mordac" character: "He believes his mission is to make it as difficult as possible for employees to use their computers or the network.")
 
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Originally posted by marc weber:
It's our incarnation of Dilbert's "Mordac" character


Oh. One of those. Been there.

So when I get my MacBook Pro (crossing fingers) I'll be sure to rub the salt in your wounds!
 
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
Should not the title of this topic be changed to "really disappointed by Internet Explorer"?


Bear,

As you already know, I am an Internet Explorer user....

For the record, I have never encountered this problem.

Henry
 
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
...when I get my MacBook Pro (crossing fingers) I'll be sure to rub the salt in your wounds!

If you can get an employer to go for a MacBook Pro... Where do I apply?

Imagine this: We needed VMWare for a critical vendor demo. This would have been a temporary local installation, with no network connections and no access to any real data. But our legal department didn't like VMWare's End User Agreement for the free demo version (because the software might have included some open source code), and tried to get them to sign an 8-page amendment assuming "unlimited liability." If only I could quote the internal memos... Uh, not that this actually happened. I'm just saying I could imagine such a thing. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by marc weber:

If you can get an employer to go for a MacBook Pro... Where do I apply?


It's actually involving some fancy footwork (by my boss's boss, bless his heart).

The entire development staff is getting new machines as the ones we have are over 4 years old, and one by one they are self-desctructing.

The decision was made to go with some Dell laptop -- whose model number escapes me at the moment -- upon which most devos will be running Ubuntu with XP in vmware.

Since I am the UI architect, I also have an old iMac DV that I've been using for Mac testing. It is also overdue for an upgrade. So I made a propostion: get me the Dell, and upgrade the iMac to a Mac Mini, or just get me a MacBook Pro.

They went for it.

But...... Macs aren't "approved" for devo use. So they're having to bill it as a "testing machine" and no one is supposed to notice that I'll be using it for development. Shhhhh!

We're still trying to figure out the red tape to get it ordered without triggering the curare darts or the SWAT team descending from ropes from the roof.
 
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Originally posted by marc weber:

If you can get an employer to go for a MacBook Pro... Where do I apply?


We have two open devo reqs. Wanna relocate to Austin?
 
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This is even true for inferior browsers such as IE.

you made my day!!! FireFox For Life.
 
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
... We have two open devo reqs. Wanna relocate to Austin?

Ah, yes. Austin, Minnesota, where Hormel builds Spam. If only I didn't fear change...
 
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[Lynette]: you made my day!!! FireFox For Life.

Glad to hear it. Though to be fair, I also frequently use Safari and Camino, and occasionally Opera. Wouldn't want to promote a monoculture, after all.
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
...I also frequently use Safari and Camino, and occasionally Opera...

I like that the search feature in Opera can be customized to use engines other than Google. I've installed AcidSearch to do this in Safari. (I've also added SafariButtons to get a "new tab" button.) I really like Safari's built-in spell check for forms -- as well as being able to select something and have search and dictionary lookup available as right-click options. Opera has these as well, but they're not as cool (the spell check isn't "as you type," and the dictionary lookup takes you to a website). Camino looks like a cool browser, but I haven't played much with it yet.

EDIT: Oh, yeah... Safari's RSS feature is cool too.
[ September 15, 2006: Message edited by: marc weber ]
 
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Originally posted by marc weber:

If you can get an employer to go for a MacBook Pro... Where do I apply?


http://www.disy.net/karriere.html

Assuming that your German is good enough...
 
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Originally posted by Ilja Preuss:
... Assuming that your German is good enough...

Europe looks quite good to me now. Unfortunately, meine Deutsch ist nicht so gut.
 
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