Originally posted by Pradip Bhat:
KJ,
What are the things they could have possibly faked?
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Originally posted by Liyaquat Ali:
As far as I know all the big companies to background checks dont they? and anyone with the calibre to get into Wipro or Infosys would know that they do background checks and hence would not fake stuff that can be checked.
And what about the police complain? was it against the fired employees or against the recruiters?
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Intel recently sacked 500 Indians who faked their timesheets
This continues to damage the reputations of Indians abroad,
Originally posted by Arvind Kumar Patel:
Lieing is normal in India, Intel recently sacked 500 Indians who faked their timesheets, using it as a second source of income.
This continues to damage the reputations of Indians abroad, which is why employers outside of the country disregard all experience in India, even if it is for a large internationally renowned employer.
I think this is the tip of the iceberg. Indian universities should offer a semester on ethics.
[ March 23, 2006: Message edited by: Arvind Kumar Patel ]
Originally posted by Arvind Kumar Patel:
It's actually good news for non-Indians worried about outsourcing, because employers who replace their workers and move to India will realise that there are lots of dishonest Indians who will do anything from filling fake expense forms to faking degrees and/or experience, and thus they will need to spend more money doing background checks during recruitment.
actually no one is bothered as long as they get things done at a considerably lower rate. yes, verification is required when the person is supposed to handle sensitive information, but that is not the case most often.
This will make it less attractive to outsource, although countries such as Brazil or the Philipines could be used instead.
at this point of time no other country can match the service + skill set + no. of resources offered by India, not in the near future either.
I remember another story last year of an Indian call centre selling the bank account details of foreigners to strangers..
This economic fraud is not a phenomenon restricted to India alone. I would say the case you are talking is quite a new thing in India, than in the west,... so, that way the westerner should feel more safe.
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Originally posted by Rob Aught:
While these stories may not reflect well on Indians, at least I can say that most of the ones I've actually worked with have been polite, professional, and hard-working.
In fact, what this sounds like is a lot like the dotcom days in the US when people were doctoring resumes to get into IT, and the IT market was hiring just about anyone. This is not the first thing that made me think of the dotcom boom though, which just makes it all the more concerning.
The biggest problem with Indians is that they are human.
Originally posted by M Movilogo:
Often these companies doctor their own employees CVs to make it acceptable to clients for onsite visit![]()
Originally posted by Rob Aught:
Manish,
Just to clarify, I keep hearing about how dishonest, disloyal, lazy, and incompetent these Indians are. As I said, I hear about it, I don't really see it.
But it strikes me that many office workers have similar undesirable qualities. It's not Indians who are dishonest, disloyal, lazy, and incompetent, but people. Honestly, did anyone expect Indians to be somehow better behaved? I don't think they are any worse, I think they are just as bad.
Well, that's my theory anyway. I haven't actually worked with a single one that fit that description yet. Which is why I don't pay much attention to stories about Indian misbehavior.
Originally posted by Rob Aught:
Manish,
Just to clarify, I keep hearing about how dishonest, disloyal, lazy, and incompetent these Indians are. As I said, I hear about it, I don't really see it.
Originally posted by KJ Reddy:
Rob not all Indians are like that. Same time you can find same type of people with other countries too, I can with some humansMay be Indians are getting more focused and making news because of outsourcing. But you do find good and bad every where in the world.
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I am really wondering why the indian government(s) offering lot of free lands and other stuff to these IT Indian companies. How many people are getting profit from it; are they ( Owners like Moorthy or Prem Ji) paying any thing to develop country. How many people are there in India without home and food.
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Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:
KJ, I think Rob already understands that. That's why he mentioned that his observations differ from perceptions propagated in media. I beleive he is saying 'Indians are as honest/dishonest as anyone else'
- Manish
Originally posted by Rob Aught:
Sorry if I was being a bit obtuse in my replies.
Originally posted by Rahul:
Hii Guys,
I was just browsing net for this kind of information .And i landed on this Forum. Who else will understand this better then me.I Am a B.E Computer Sc. Graduate.After completing graduation,I have done C.C.N.A Certification and got job in a company . After some time i found that job is not satisfying so I left it.One of my frnd suggested me to do Software testing Course from a training Institute in Delhi as i was desperate to switch in Some software work . while doing this training , there was some serious problem ,due to which i could'nt continued my job search and left for my home.When i came back its almost 2 years passed and my experience was only 4 or 5 months in IT industry .i tried very hard to get a job with this genuine experience .i did not recieved calls from comapnies .Even if anybody calls ,they are more intersted in my career gap not in my skills .So i decided to fake my CV .After that i got plenty of calls & i landed up with a Cool job in a MNC with a fat pay package. Recently they fired me as they cross checked my exp.
so guys i m telling u all this coz sometimes circumstances lead to person to do such kind of things .Its not always Salary or other things are in picture.I am not justifying this thing.But U have to consider both side of picture.
Originally posted by dilip agheda:
Guys,
what about the company's HR people and project managers telling lies to their employees? I remember a person in my previous company on a very senior position manipulated me when i tried to leave company. I resigned 3 times and on all occasions, he was telling me to send on site, get great projects and have client interaction. but in the end he gave me same stupid project to work on. in fact that was the software i designed from scrath and he managed to sell it to 3 major banks in india. so somehow he wanted me to stay for all of my life. so he manipulated and damaged one of my golden opporutnity in fortune 500 company. he had no right of doing this. it is totally unethical for him.
what about this?
Originally posted by M Movilogo:
I remember 3 of them each of whom claimed 5 years of experience in Unix, could not tell what the "ls" command is used for!
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Originally posted by kannan:
Yes I agree there are fake CVs. But argument is different.![]()
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Some companies are firing people in the name fake certification if they don�t have any work for those people.
Whenever need they are haring without checking certification for their urgent project need.
My Question is why are not verifying strictly before issue the offer latter, I heard that companies sending people after 6 month even after 24 month.
I don�t know how many companies are giving correct information for former employees. If the concern person in HR dept left that company who will give ref about former employees.
It is company responsibility to verify the candidate before issuing the offer latter, they should not verify after join into the company.
Regards,<br />Rahul Yadav
I agree with u .In my case they fired me after 5 months of joining .And they have probation period of 3 months .After 3 months every employee is confirmed .During this 5 month tenture ,i got 2 appreciation letter from my project manager and onsite team despite this they fired me in Name of ethics and some ediot HR policies. i dont think i was not capable otherwise i would not be able to handle work . My TL told me in my last meeting with him , tht i m capable person and he advised me to get a exp. certificate from a company where anyone can cross verify .There r lot Institutes and companies who offer this kind of services . So my point is this ,if the person is capable and u have tested him for 4 or 5 months,u invested your resources in him ,now at time when he has just started giving ouput u fired him . i dont understand the logic . Evrebody is doing this i know many people who r still working with tht comapny with fake Exp. But they manage to cross verify their credentials . so anyone who is caught is the only culprit .
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