Market leader b/w Weblogic & Websphere...plz vote and comment

[faiza athar]

Hi Everyone!
I need to register for either of the two App Server certifications and need to know:
Which has better future scope in the market?
I know Weblogic has released its latest 7.0 version with Webservices and ejb2.0 support.
Plz educate me reg Websphere?
Thanx for any suggesstion and guidance!
Faiza

[Mandan Happy]

weblgoic 7.0 suport for webservice is not a complete one as JAX-RPC was not in its final release when weblogic7.0 was released.
But indeed they have done a good job on webservices support .
bea is the market leader /
webpshere I believe has released 5.0 beta .
Rational XDE+WSAD+Websphere+MQSeries stands out to be a good team in developing enterprise applications .
J2ee 1.4 spec will have web services support and hence any appserver that needs to be comliant with it would need to support that .
with respect to providing implementations BEA is well ahead .

[faiza athar]

Do you agree... if i say that no matter which app server certification i get, the concepts are same and will make it easier for me to work on either of them?
Should i compare their capabilities with the stock prices? I know it might be ridiculous, but reviews show that bea is not doing good???
Thanx for the feedback!
faiza

[Mandan Happy]

if you want to get certified on a particular product it makes sense to see if that product is doing good .
if u want to learn the concepts I would advice to use JBOSS.

[faiza athar]

primary goal is to learn the concepts alongwith the product.
Which has a better market? WLS or IBM Wbsphere?
thanx again!
faiza

[Byron Estes]

The concepts are the same on either since they are "supposed" to conform to a specification.
So, the determining factor for you sounds like which is more attractive to employers.
Why not do a search on some of the employment websites and do a keyword search on WebSphere and Weblogic to see which has the most postings.
I did it on "monster.com" to get you started...
WebSphere had 636 postings.
Weblogic had 437 postings.
There were 941 with J2EE
Regards,

[faiza athar]

Thanx Byron!
Do you have the experience of both weblogic and websphere?if yes, which one did u prefer and why?
faiza

[pamela lee]

someone has posted that:
http://www.flashline.com/Components/appservermatrix.jsp

[Doug Wang]

Five to five. Both of them have their weaknesses and strengths.

[Val Pecaoco]

Hi Faiza,
I'd say JBoss will make a killer in the market. And while it's still premature to say so, I think the Sun ONE app server will also make a run.
Both of these products are free, btw.
So your employer(s) have both WebLogic and WebSphere such that you can study them both?! My, lucky you!
Ex Animo Java!
-- Val

[faiza athar]

Hi
Thanx for the replies!
Val ur right abt sun one, see this!
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1435
This flashline comparison matrix gives good reviews for both the servers.
As mentioned the job market of ibm is better...hmmm...should that be THE criteria!
still thinking...........
thanx anyway!
faiza

[Byron Estes]

Unfortunately I only have experience with WebSphere Advanced and Tomcat. I have never worked with WebLogic. WebSphere was what the companies I have worked for used.
Someone questioned whether making a choice to learn one or the other should be based on the market.
The answer is, it depends.
If you are responsible for your IT shop and budget and you need to select a piece of software, then your criteria will deal with price (today and maintenance fees), performance, tool sets, talent pool, functionality, etc.
If you are a developer who want work and wants to be attractive to the largest group of employers possible, then maybe looking at market demand is a pretty good indicator.
Personlly, I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. That's the beauty of an open platform. Just because you're only certified on one doesn't mean you can't do your work on another one. Sure you'll need to learn the tools and the idiosyncracies of each, but just like programming languages, learning the next one just keeps getting easier and easier (...because you have experience and a frame of reference)
Regards,

[Mandan Happy]

Byron,
would you chose to use Software from the same vendor itself say ..Say
Websphere Application Server +
WSAD +
MQSeries +
DB2
or Chose different software from different vendors
Weblogic +
Webgain +
MQSeries +
Oracle
I know that there are a lot of variables .
Whatz your experience ? and If you were given the choice wherein the budget isnt a problem(hypothetical)which one would you chose ?
ThanX
Mandan

[Byron Estes]

Originally posted by Mandan Happy:
Byron,
would you chose to use Software from the same vendor itself say ..Say
Websphere Application Server +
WSAD +
MQSeries +
DB2
or Chose different software from different vendors
Weblogic +
Webgain +
MQSeries +
Oracle
I know that there are a lot of variables .
Whatz your experience ? and If you were given the choice wherein the budget isnt a problem(hypothetical)which one would you chose ?
ThanX
Mandan

That is a tough question, especially since I haven't used a WebLogic of Webgain. But here goes...
Where possible I would use software from the same vendor for my IDE and Application Server.
DB - I don't think it really matters here given ODBC and JDBC Drivers.
Personally I like Oracle here (although DB2 UDB 7.2 now has stored procedures in Java which is pretty cool!) I'm not sure if Oracle does that or not yet.
Same deal with Message Oriented Middleware. JMS and the drivers the vendors supply make this more a infrustructure choice. I've used MQSeries and I've user SonicMQ. MQSeries has been around a long time and IBM has been doing TP monitors as long as anyone. I'd leave this one up to someone in your infrastucture group, not a developer.
Regards,

[Val Pecaoco]

Hi guys,
You may find this thread from TheServerSide.com interesting:
Do NOT use WebSphere unless you are BLUE
Ex Animo Java!
-- Val