java job market in u.s

[rajat mani]

hi all,
i am having 5 years experience with scjp and scwcd.

i just got my h1b visa stamping yesterday and i would like to know about the java job market in u.s

what is the market value of scjp and scwcd in u.s???
how much pay can one expect as a consultant?

Do i need to do SCBCD ?
what is the market of JSF, raid and mqseries in u.s??

please please help
its urgent

[Jay Shin]

i just got my h1b visa stamping yesterday and i would like to know about the java job market in u.s

You have the H-1B Visa approved already through your employer in the U.S., which means you already have the job and your employer must pay you the wage specified in the LCA (Labor Condition Application).

Why are you asking questions about the job market when you already got the job in the U.S. ?

please please help

Not when you are an illegal alien.

its urgent

Call 911

[Mark Herschberg]

The value of SCJP SCWCD is approximately $0. Experience is much more important. While some firms like candidates to ahve certification so they can say "90% of our consultants are certified" it's not going to directly help your pay.

In the US someone with 5 years of experience can earn anywhere from $50,000/yr to $180,000/yr depending on education, experience, location, industry, and specific role. Typical salaries for US programers* with 5 years of experience are probably closer to $75,000/yr to $120,000/yr.

*In my expeirence many non-US developers have difference experience from US developers (in terms of corporate culture, assignments available to them, etc), and this gets reflected in pay.

Note that urgent posts are not discouraged and are oftne ignored by many regulars.

--Mark

[Mark Herschberg]

Originally posted by Jack Haley:
Are you young, tall, good looking, eloquent, possesing a can-do attitude, and willing to work cheap? If so, there is very likely a job waiting for you in the US.

You may have just been trying to be funny, but it could also be interpreted as not so nice. Let's stick to helpful comments in the forum please.

--Mark

[Mark Herschberg]

Originally posted by Jay Shin:

Not when you are an illegal alien.

...

Call 911

Jay,

There is no evidence that he is an illegal alien. Please do not go around acusing people of illicit activities on such little evidence.

As for your second comment, while we do discourage "urgent" comments at the Ranch, there are much more polite ways of doing so.

--Mark

[Eric Lemaitre]

Hi rajat !

i am having 5 years experience with scjp and scwcd.
i just got my h1b visa stamping yesterday and i would like to know about the java job market in u.s

This is quite annoying, it suggests you are a bodyshopper's employee just about to enter US while so as to be granted an H1B you ought to be allready in US. Don't expect many answers on this forum, although you have nothing to reproach personnally.

what is the market value of scjp and scwcd in u.s???

Nothing more than having 5 years IT experience, since certifications simply confirm your years of experience from employers point of view, certifications alone are worth nothing when salary matters, only experience counts.

how much pay can one expect as a consultant?

Impossible to answer without knowing where you intend to go in US, wages for your profile should vary from U.S.$ 50K to U.S.$ 100K simply considering the location, so state the area if you expect an answer. You can use any salary calculator (use google) to find out by yourself, but Javaranch's answers will be more accurate indeed.

Do i need to do SCBCD ?

Certainly not, as you allready own SCJP and SCWCD, an extra SCBCD wouldn't grant you anything at all when wages matter. But extra SCBCD would bring you extra self confidence on your skills, but this is something else.

what is the market of JSF, raid and mqseries in u.s??

JSF is too young yet to be a real asset when wages matter, RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is an hardware harddrive technology which won't bring you anything at all about Java development, IBM's MQSeries will be a small asset for it is one of the widely used messaging systems but won't bring you especially more than being able to deal with JMS in general with any messaging system.

FOR ALL RANCHERS :
Please avoid excessive preventive bashing of this guy who looks much like another Indian bodyshopper's victim, or another fierce flamewar is likely to happen then degenerate and the thread will be closed, as many others were before.

Best regards.

[Eric Lemaitre]

Hi Jack !

Are you young, tall, good looking, eloquent, possesing a can-do attitude, and willing to work cheap? If so, there is very likely a job waiting for you in the US.

If there are so many cases of bodyshopping, it is because although H1B system is known to have many flaws and loopholes which finally turned it in defavour of US citizens, too little US citizens cared to seriously point the issue to their respective lawmakers.

So if you are an US citizen, please stop practicing Indian bashing, for Indians didn't ever do anything to mess US the H1B system, but rather mail your senator instead for if H1B is flawed it is YOUR duty to warn your lawmakers and THEIR duty to fix it. If your lawmakers don't fix a flawed law, but you carry on voting for them anyway, then this will be your problem, especially in midterm election year where public opinion is of paramount political importance for reelection.

No offense, but if some of your laws are bad ask them to be changed, and if your elected lawmakers fail in fixing them change them either, this is just the time for it with november elections, but please stop whining about a flawed system if nobody seems to care fixing it.

Best regards.

[Mark Herschberg]

Jack,

We have a simple rule here at JavaRanch: Be nice. Please keep that rule in mind when you post. if you'd like to debate immigration and visa issues, I suggest you open a thread on that topic; do not hijack Rajat's thread.

--Mark

[Luke Kolin]

Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:
it suggests you are a bodyshopper's employee just about to enter US while so as to be granted an H1B you ought to be allready in US.

I apologize for the derail, but this is completely and utterly incorrect.

Luke

[Rachel Rose]

Originally posted by rajat mani:
hi all,
i am having 5 years experience with scjp and scwcd.

i just got my h1b visa stamping yesterday and i would like to know about the java job market in u.s

what is the market value of scjp and scwcd in u.s???
how much pay can one expect as a consultant?

Do i need to do SCBCD ?
what is the market of JSF, raid and mqseries in u.s??

please please help
its urgent

check your PM(Private Messages in your Profile Section)

[Jack Haley]

how much pay can one expect as a consultant?

The answer to that question would depend on a number of factors. Do you know the name of the employer you will be providing consultancy to? Do you know what city and state you'll be working in?

What sort of benefits will you be receiving? Will you get paid for overtime? Is the company going to pay for your health insurance? Will you get a 401-K plan? If so, will there be any matching contributions? Will you be paid if you are sick? Will you be paid any vacation time? Will you normally be working a 40 hour week?

Are you going to be entering this position on an at-will basis?

Are you having to post any bonds or pay any fees?

If your position is terminated in the US, will you be getting any severance compensation?

Do you get any educational benefits? For example will your employer reimburse your expences for successfully completing a graduate level course at an accredited university? Any money for completing certifications?
[ July 25, 2006: Message edited by: Jack Haley ]

[Rohan Sathye]

Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:
Hi rajat !

i am having 5 years experience with scjp and scwcd.
i just got my h1b visa stamping yesterday and i would like to know about the java job market in u.s

This is quite annoying, it suggests you are a bodyshopper's employee just about to enter US while so as to be granted an H1B you ought to be allready in US. Don't expect many answers on this forum, although you have nothing to reproach personnally.

This is absolutely wrong. Luke already pointed this in his reply. H1B applicant can very well be outside the country and thats perfectly legal. When H1B application is filed, it is marked as Visa to be issued abroad if the candidate is not in US.

[rajat mani]

thanks all for the reply,
thanks mark,jack haley,eric lemaitre and rohan sathye.
thanks rachel.

by the way when i became member of javaranch the only rule were "be nice",
i made a search on "jay shin" recent post and i found he he is only here to cricize h1b callingthem illegal alien.
i dont know when h1b people became illegal.

Eric Lemaitre: you can be in india while stamping ,it is not necessary to be in u.s
most of the h1b..except the students in u.s converting to h1b have different process.

thanks erice for the other help and answer.

and ya we can not start getting job before 1st of october.

while you people are absolutely free to do whatever needed to stop the h1b programme.
but as far as i m concerne i m preparing my sword to take off the jobs of those people who are not followoing the policy of "be nice".
jay shin, dont mind that was a joke.
thanks again to all.
i better leave this discussion and this group and join some other where i get some proper answers.

[Jack Haley]

i better leave this discussion and this group and join some other where i get some proper answers.

You can get proper answers on this board. You should demand no less. The US market is very large and complex. $50K in New York City is a very different life than $50K in Bentonville, Arkansas.

[Myra Rose]

I had been reading a lot of posts on this forum - and there is LOT of INFORMATION here.

Rajat Mani,

I guess you must continue using the forum. Making sure you are asking Q to the point. Mention about the exact location you will be working. This will help ranchers guide you properly.

[Jay Shin]

he is only here to cricize h1b calling them illegal alien.
i dont know when h1b people became illegal.

Why are you asking questions like "How much is the pay?" and "How is the job market" ???

You mentioned that you already got your H-1B approved through a consulting company in the U.S. (I'm pretty much sure it's a body shopper - anyway it's your employer).

That means your employer already filed the LCA (Labor Condition Application) to the U.S. Department of Labor. This must specify your wage (e.g., $100,000 per year).

Your employer must pay you the wage specified in the LCA even if you cannot get a project to work on or you are on bench.

Otherwise, you become an illegal alien (and I'm pretty much sure you will - based on what you stated).

[Mark Herschberg]

Originally posted by Jay Shin:

Why are you asking questions like "How much is the pay?" and "How is the job market" ???

Perhaps for the same reason I might ask those questions of the Inidian job market even thought I don't plan on working there anytime soon. Perhaps he is just curious about what the labor market is like because in a down market, his employer is more likely to demand longer hours. Perhaps it's his own business and if you want to know ask him. But whatever you do, don't start making accusations. That's not how things work around here.

--Mark

[Geoffrey Chu]

Originally posted by rajat mani:

while you people are absolutely free to do whatever needed to stop the h1b programme.
but as far as i m concerne i m preparing my sword to take off the jobs of those people who are not followoing the policy of "be nice".

Good luck dude . If you are in trouble, don't hesitate to stop by, we sell lightsabers and ninja pocket knives.
[ July 27, 2006: Message edited by: Geoffrey Chu ]

[Eric Lemaitre]

Hi rajat !

by the way when i became member of javaranch the only rule were "be nice",
i made a search on "jay shin" recent post and i found he he is only here to cricize h1b calling them illegal alien.

Please don't think anything bad about Jay Shin or anyone on Javaranch, for you don't know peoples' stories. The globalization in US with massive outshoring as main symptom was particulary tremendous and brutal just after internet bubble burst, many native US citizens were heavily hurt on social level, some even committing suicide (1 known case at least, someone asked to train the aliens about to replace him after his layoff). So perhaps some people had a very bad personnal approach about alien local employment in US, seen as nearshore so another form of the "hattred" globalization which caused them so many hardships.
It is true H1B system seems completely obsolete with many loopholes which seem to remain unfixed for so long, but the system is to blame, not the people.

Eric Lemaitre: you can be in india while stamping ,it is not necessary to be in u.s
most of the h1b..except the students in u.s converting to h1b have different process.

You are right, my mistake as some others confirmed. I simply don't understand anything to H1B which, as I had understood it, made mandatory the application of H1B along with a given job with well known salary (must match prevailing wage, etc...), which meant so by definition all jobs assets including company and salary had to be known. I simply don't understand anything any longer about it.

thanks erice for the other help and answer.

You are welcome.
It won't really help you, but salary considering your skills should vary from U.S.$ 50K in "standard cost" area like RTP (NC) to U.S.$ 100K "high cost" area like New York, so the simple area location criteria in US is enough to change your possible salary to the double, or even to triple if we consider "low cost" areas like some deserted middlewest place (no offense). So for a given set of skills area will decide of your salary in a range from 1 to 3. Perhaps rely on U.S.$ 50K as a probable average salary in your case.

while you people are absolutely free to do whatever needed to stop the h1b programme.
but as far as i m concerne i m preparing my sword to take off the jobs of those people who are not followoing the policy of "be nice".
jay shin, dont mind that was a joke.

Please, don't take it bad as all immigration related matters are really extremely sensitive in US, especially the illegals problem. It is true US is litteraly overwhelmed by a totally untamed storm of illegal immigrants, at least half a million each year, so it is normal if people are really nervous about it, hence finish to fear all aliens at the end, normal reaction. Simply ignore it, you can't do anything about it and you are not involved in any way.

i better leave this discussion and this group and join some other where i get some proper answers.

Of course you are totally free to, but you won't get especially different answers compared to Javaranch which remains a very valuable source of info.

Best regards.

[chee yung]

Friends i want to help people who hate h1b and offshore jobs and manufacturing.
i hope my thinking may help people like "jay shin"
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in u.s one does not need to cling with one employee..with one lca ..with one pay structure for 3 years.
what if one want to change job in u.s after coming there.
is it a law that h1b people can not change job??
can not know about the market???
does if the need urgent help..they have to dial 911???
what is the problem in knowing java market.
"Jay shin"? was the answer to above question same..if he had said he is in u.s and not a person from h1b..

i have read a book called the rise and fall of empire.where by the reasons for the roman civilization,the mongols,the chinese civilization has been explained.
it also explained why america became powerful and england week after second world war.
my dear friends, right now it is only india and china and taiwan.
soon chinese will be doing the same thing.
whithin next 10 years the countries of south america ,..brazil would provide cheap labour.
within 15 years the poor countries of africa would be doing the same thing

when pepsi and coke came to india and china ..people opposed it ..but ultimately they provided better drinks with comparatively
low cost and good quality..
why is chinese products sold in every country inspite of being low quality..the reason is low cost.and consierable quality..
soon a day will come..may be after 50 year or a 100 years...when all the currency will have same value.

if you attack india and chain and destroy india then ...china..taiwan...bangladesh..pankistan...brazil..russia will provide the same quality with low cost.
I understand loosing job is an emotional thing.What do u think people in india and china would be opposing the shoe companies like nike and addidas and reebok?
The local market is absolutley ruined..

The designer denim companies buy denim from india and china and make jeans and then sell again in india and china ..
dont u think local companies and tailor wont be opposint it???
People oppose the costly medicines..books..everything..

ofcourse they do ..and ofcourse u have the right to oppose...

but my 0.2$ suggestoin would be...get adapted to the change that is happeing..
lower your pay structure so that its impossible for an "illegal" alien to take over your job.
but may be thats impossible.
Its a part of a radical change..
nobody is to blame.

this third world coutries are not destined to remain poor forever.

you have to compete with them..and compete furiosuly..

The only one to blame is "high speed" optical fibre connectivity.
if that had notbeen there..people in india wont be providing cheap call center jobs.
if that had not been there ..people in india wont be delivering projects take from some free lancer site.

this was my opinion regarding competitivenes...low cost..and the differences between the develped countries and underdeveloped.
The competiion is goingto be fierce and may god help both side so that they can handle it smoothly.

(a joke)
although wwe is a game..but recently a wrestler called "Great khali" (Dalip Singh) from india with 7 feet 3 inches height and 423 pounds weight defeated UNDERTAKER.
There are 3 Billioin talented people residing in the indian and chinese subcontinent which counts to 50% of the world's total population.
And they deserve to get 50% of all the jobs available in the world.

[Mark Herschberg]

Comments about any single member on the website really aren't appropriate, and will likely lead into discussions that violate our be nice policy. Let's focus on the questions in the thread and not our opinions about each other.

--Mark