Moving from java/J2EE to EAI

[Amit Bajaj]

Hi,
m having 2.5 yr exp in java/J2ee(jsp,struts,ejb,web services,bit of MQ,ESB)working wid mid size company in bangalore.Now i am planning to switch to EAI domain wid top indian brand name('cos looking for long term onsite opp.).
please tell me how good/bad is the move.

Best Regards,
Amit Bajaj

[P Lavti]

EAI-BPM are today's one of the HOT technologies. And that too you are getting a chance to work with big company.

Go Ahead Amit!!!
All the Best!!

[Amit Bajaj]

Thanks for precious suggestion Ms. lavti.
Waiting to welcome more.

[Ram Deshpande]

Amit,
I have worked on one of very latest EAI Tool - WPS / WID and certified as well.
From Programmer prospective, in EAI Tools You have very few things to do...
60-70 % most of development will be TOOL based...
So more-over, you need to do some configuration, reuse the inbuilt component...
My personal thinking says, Tool based development will have restrictive area to grow.
Long term prospective, It will be worst to work on TOOLs

Still long term ONSITE will always WELCOME
So take a good decision

Ram

[Amit Bajaj]

RAM,thanks for making me alert on this.
what i think is,in upcoming days everything going to be using tools or suite...
languages are losing their sheen...there are UML tools..you just need to design..code will be ready...and moreover java/J2EE experts are in abundance...am just trying to go in some niche techs to raise my market value...
what you say...suggestions will be appreciated...

[william gates]

As I've said before, programming is great to learn and become an expert at, but there will always be cheapor labor somewhere willing to do the same things for a lot less. Yeah maybe you know certain ins and outs, but if you become that much of an expert, you would be better suited to engineering and architecting new projects and systems rather than just coding. Coding is the "blue collar" part of IT these days.

If the only thing you do is program and code, no doubt you'd be great at it and know many many things. But without managing a project, designing one, leading one, architecting one, engineering one; most people will just look at you as a programmer, a coder and nothing more.

It's nice when your young but as you get older, it's not looked at in good regard. If you do it, that's great, but if it's all you do, your career path starts to fade. People can say what you want, but like i said before, regardless of how great your code is, if somebody else is designing the system and all your doing is programming, there will always be somebody a lot cheaper than you.. Especially if you start making in the 60-80 bucks per hour range and up.

Learn as many things as you can, but if there is an opportunity to do something that might forward your career into a different path, go for it.

Like another poster said, there are a zillion expert programmers in the world now.

Today it's java, tomorrow it's ruby, the next day it's something else. Like it or not, it's the way technology works. There aren't many assembly jobs anymore. there aren't many fortran jobs. Not many C jobs. Not many cobol jobs. Not many mainframe programming jobs. Not even that many C++ jobs anymore..

Yeah there might always be a few jobs here and there, but you don't want to get into a career path where there is probably an end in sight.

When you start designing and building entire systems and taking responsibility for it, nobody cares what languages you may or may not know. But if your just a programmer in your 40's, people start to look at you like you are too old to know new technologies, and so on. It's what always happens. Even if you do know the latest and greatest things.

[Ram Deshpande]

upcoming days everything going to be using tools or suite...

90% EAI Tools are developed in Java. Considering maturity of TOOLs, It will next 5/7 years to reach this stage � n that of FEW �

languages are losing their sheen

We are still using MAINFRAMEs... what to say on this..
Java will be ALIVE till the SOFTWARE industry is running...
There is HEAVY investment in JAVA and MAINFRAME, so Java has BRIGHT future forever.

there are UML tools..you just need to design..code will be ready...

I am very happy to hear which company is using UML for development and running their BUSINESS easily ..

and moreover java/J2EE experts are in abundance...

By 2010, many jobs will be moved from India to some other countries due to lack of TALENT... India has enough Java Developer but not EXPERTS / Architects/ DESIGNER...

am just trying to go in some niche techs to raise my market value...

EAI : Enterprise Application Integration. So it will more emphasis on INTEGRATION of hetrogenesys systems like MAINFRAME/BUSINESS LAYER which will have core functional implementation and PRESENTATION / VIEW Layer. So roll of EAI developer will be to take the input from X system and JUST pass to Y system..
No business logic needs to implement...So how much FUNCTIONAL knowledge you will have� Just think on this..

My suggestion is GO with this opening if you have good ONSITE for year or two. Then you will be in good position to take exact decision ...whether to be there ...You will have NICHE skills as well.. do some certification...
One best area to concentrate ESB - HEART of project and if used. very HOT in market and few people knows it thoroughly�.But THIS AREA WILL BE HANDLE BY CLIENT TECHIES�.Believe me

From my thinking, Niche skill set will be J2EE Architects with full domain knowledge of one area like Finance / Insurance / ��.

Ram.

[Sirish Kumar Gongal Reddy]

Hi William Gates,

Your explanation is crystal clear. Your lines having good power i am a Developer and i have started thinking now, to take a leap on other areas not only in Developement.

Huge thanks for your Great explanation!! Thanks!

/Sirish

[Sirish Kumar Gongal Reddy]

Ram,

It's really good to hear from you.
<Ram>
By 2010, many jobs will be moved from India to some other countries due to lack of TALENT... India has enough Java Developer but not EXPERTS / Architects/ DESIGNER...
</Ram>

Is's true?

Thanks/Sirish

[ambar patil]

Originally posted by Sirish Kumar:
By 2010, many jobs will be moved from India to some other countries due to lack of TALENT... India has enough Java Developer but not EXPERTS / Architects/ DESIGNER...
Is's true?

NO.Instead India is expected to get more quality work.Only High Cost can be the reason of moving job out of india and that is not near yet.

& By the way EAI is also intresting field.You have already good development exp so you can easily switch between EAI & J2ee.
[ April 12, 2007: Message edited by: ambar patil ]

[Ram Deshpande]

Only High Cost can be the reason of moving job out of india and that is not near yet.

If flood of TALENT is present then surely few (Talented) people will not ask for HIGH salary...
But LACK of TALENTED people will create HIGH Salary for few (Talented) people ...

Please check what Kiran Karnik - President, NASSCOM
has said
The 2005 NASSCOM-McKinsey study very clearly said that if we do nothing, "We need major reforms in the educational system. Our system is what the British left us with 60 years ago"we could have a shortfall of 500,000 by 2010 for this sector alone.
Check the link as well : http://www.nasscom.in/nasscom/templates/MainSearch.aspx?id=11625&q=India+%3A+Lack+of+Talent+in+2010&src=11234

& By the way EAI is also intresting field.

Please ignore area of ESB layer and explain me how EAI id interesting...
My views about EAI are 'Take input from X System , perform very very few Routing... Then pass it to Y System'
Business Layer will NEVER be part of EAI.
Please share your exper and knowledge to clear my understanding

[Myra Rose]

Originally posted by Amit Bajaj:
Hi,
m having 2.5 yr exp in java/J2ee(jsp,struts,ejb,web services,bit of MQ,ESB)working wid mid size company in bangalore.Now i am planning to switch to EAI domain wid top indian brand name('cos looking for long term onsite opp.).
please tell me how good/bad is the move.

Best Regards,
Amit Bajaj

Hi Amit..

I need more info on EAI domain. Can you please check your PM?

Thanks.