Bill Burke(EJB) X Rod Johnson(Spring)

[Felipe Reis]

Recently I've been following Bill Burke's and Rod Johnson's blogs

where there is a discussion about Spring 'stealing' job offers

from EJB.

For those who don't know who these guys are, Burke works for

JBoss and wrote EJB 3.0 from O'Reilly, and Johnson is the creator

of Spring.

Usually I don't give much attention to discussions regarding

framework competition. But I found it interesting to see 2 IT

heavyweights showing their arguments, and having quite a "warm"

discussion about their products.

First they argue if Spring really has more job offers than EJB

Johnson:

Spring has now overtaken EJB, and it?s no longer even

close, as far as job listings go

Burke:

Rod, I wrote this blog... to satirize your recent silly

blog and manipulation of stats

Then the subject is the quality of the products:

Johnson:

Frankly, the EJB era was an aberration. EJB failed to

solve the problems of earlier this decade; it's still more

inadequate to those of the future

Burke:

Its too bad you have to rely on such a kiddy wrapper over

real technologies to make your business[/QUOTE

And here is a final warning from Burke:

Unfortunately, when you finally wake up and see that

uniting Spring with Java EE/EJB is a good thing for everybody,

the Rails movement will have already made us all obsolete.

Sigh.

Well... I just thought it was an interesting discussion, and I

respect both professinals. I just create this post to check the

user's opinion about the subject: Spring and/or EJB.

here are the links:
http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/02/ejb-spring-job-listings-trends
http://bill.burkecentral.com/2008/02/13/ejb-maintains-its-dominan

ce/
http://blog.springsource.com/main/2008/01/23/sprin...s-ejb-as-a-s

kills-requirement/

[Felipe Reis]

(the formatting of the first post was terrible, so I'm posting it again...)

Recently I've been following Bill Burke's and Rod Johnson's blogs where there is a discussion about Spring 'stealing' job offers from EJB.

For those who don't know who these guys are, Burke works for JBoss and wrote EJB 3.0 from O'Reilly, and Johnson is the creator of Spring.

Usually I don't give much attention to discussions regarding framework competition. But I found it interesting to see 2 IT heavyweights showing their arguments, and having quite a "warm" discussion about their products.

First they argue if Spring really has more job offers than EJB

Johnson:

Spring has now overtaken EJB, and it?s no longer even close, as far as job listings go

Burke:

Rod, I wrote this blog... to satirize your recent silly blog and manipulation of stats

Then the subject is the quality of the products:

Johnson:

Frankly, the EJB era was an aberration. EJB failed to solve the problems of earlier this decade; it's still more inadequate to those of the future

Burke:

Its too bad you have to rely on such a kiddy wrapper over real technologies to make your business

And here is a final warning from Burke:

Unfortunately, when you finally wake up and see that uniting Spring with Java EE/EJB is a good thing for everybody, the Rails movement will have already made us all obsolete. Sigh.

Well... I just thought it was an interesting discussion, and I respect both professinals. I just create this post to check the user's opinion about the subject: Spring and/or EJB.

here are the links:
http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/02/ejb-spring-job-listings-trends
http://bill.burkecentral.com/2008/02/13/ejb-maintains-its-dominance/
http://blog.springsource.com/main/2008/01/23/spring-overtakes-ejb-as-a-skills-requirement/

[Jesus Angeles]

Even if Spring railroaded EJB 2, we will see more of EJB now with the new Persistence API.

EJB 3 is definitely a better choice for new developments as it is already well incorporated with JEE.