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Need advice on a career move

 
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Hi Ranchers!

I come from a very good college and university and unfortunately ended up in a job I dont like. I've been into testing for the past two years, and want to move into J2EE and web services now. Though I have a long way to go, I had started off a few months back by writing a few Java applications of my own and taking the SCJP certification. I'm planning of taking the SCWCD soon. I want to know how feasible is it for a tester of 2 years to get a good job in J2EE without much exp, and what can I do to increase my chances of landing a good job? I am pretty sure that I will be good at my work but since work ex is what is so important these days, how do I prove myself in the market?

All help will be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Neha.
 
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Originally posted by Neha GP:
Hi Ranchers!

I come from a very good college and university and unfortunately ended up in a job I dont like. I've been into testing for the past two years, and want to move into J2EE and web services now. Though I have a long way to go, I had started off a few months back by writing a few Java applications of my own and taking the SCJP certification. I'm planning of taking the SCWCD soon. I want to know how feasible is it for a tester of 2 years to get a good job in J2EE without much exp, and what can I do to increase my chances of landing a good job? I am pretty sure that I will be good at my work but since work ex is what is so important these days, how do I prove myself in the market?

All help will be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Neha.



I think, try in your current company. It's easy to move into other stream in same company after working for some year. Talk to your manager, it�s definitely possible.
 
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Hello Neha,

I know some of my friends who changed from testing,mainframe..etc to j2ee/Java,atfirst they have been placed in testing when they where entered as fresher, then they have done SCJP and asked PM, luckily PM have placed them in java development.

your experience wont be counted in Java/j2ee. I will suggest you to ask your PM and get java development and stay there for atleast one year, then change if you want.


 
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Yes, I spent 2 years trying to do just that. And my company has a policy wherein after completion of 2 years, the manager has to release the employee from the current project and help her get any project she wants, but my manager wont release me (inspite of other managers offering me positions in their teams as Java developers). Now, I just think it is better to look out for other oppotunities in the market.
 
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Then better get one offer and then talk to your manager again.

Good Luck
 
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Originally posted by Neha GP:
Now, I just think it is better to look out for other oppotunities in the market.



What if your manager won't release you that time?
 
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Hi Neha,

Though you can project yourself to the outside market that you were working in Java/J2EE, just try speaking with your manager once after getting an offer from outside. That might be helpful.

Keep working on the technologies will definitely help you to answer during interviews.

Good Luck.
 
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Before you find your new ideal job, automate your testing job by using Java/J2EE, or even Ruby.

You get your experiences this way. I know a tester who was doing so to become a developer now.

Good luck!
 
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"Neha GP",

Welcome to JavaRanch. Please look carefully at the official naming policy at Javaranch & reregister yourself with a proper first & last name, with a space between them. Initials may be used for a first name, but not a last name. Please adhere to official naming policy & help maintain the decorum of the forum. The naming policy can be found at http://www.javaranch.com/name.jsp. You can change your name here.

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If you see you have no chance to move from testing to programming, in the current company you are, I think the best choice is trying other company. Besides, if you have Java certification is easy to find a new job in this area.
 
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Originally posted by Roseanne Zhang:
Before you find your new ideal job, automate your testing job by using Java/J2EE, or even Ruby.

You get your experiences this way. I know a tester who was doing so to become a developer now.

Good luck!


This is a brilliant suggestion. If you can write something practical to assist your current job, and show it in an interview with your passion to be a programmer, the folks interviewing you will eat it up.

Quite honestly, taking any decent piece of code that you wrote on your own time/accord can do wonders to set you apart from the competition.
 
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Thanks for all the responses. I have written code to automate a part of testing, that was in core java using Swing. I have also done quite a bit of core java coding in my free time. I hope that will help me get some interesting work.
 
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"Neha GP",

Welcome to JavaRanch. Please look carefully at the official naming policy at Javaranch & reregister yourself with a proper first & last name, with a space between them. Initials may be used for a first name, but not a last name. Please adhere to official naming policy & help maintain the decorum of the forum. The naming policy can be found at http://www.javaranch.com/name.jsp. You can change your name here.

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Cleared SCWCD with 85%! yaay!
 
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Hey Neha

Were you telling your score on SCWCD? Congratulations if so.

Great going...

Perhaps, posting this in the "Certification Results" forum is what should be your next plan of action.
 
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Hi Neha,
So what are you doing now? in the same company or in different?
Have you got good response after your SCWCD? Please tell. I need your experience. Thanking you in advance.
 
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Congratulations and why not take part in any open source projects to gain some experience.
 
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Congrats and All the best





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Nik
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Hi Ranchers,

My previous company had some policies about working on open source projects, so I couldnt do that. I agree working on open source projects is a great advantage when you want to learn and get acquainted with new technologies.

After quite a few individual projects and two Java certifications, I finally got a few job offers- one is for J2EE+Web services, another for a project on RoR and a third for Java on a custom-built middleware. I think the first two projects will allow me to learn about new technologies, but the third offers me an opportunity to do some research too. I'm really confused about what offer to take. The money really doesnt matter to me, and they're all paying me what I asked for.

So folks, please give me some advice. Any suggestions are welcome.

Thank you all in advance.
Neha.
 
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Just my thoughts:
J2EE+Web services = the most buzzword friendly... it should be easy to get another job later
RoR = very cool technology worth knowing
custom-built middleware = maybe difficult to explain later (i.e. no buzzwords) but if you have to help build it, it would be a big and rewarding challenge... on the other hand, if you just use it could be painful (maybe they just reinvented the wheel).

Try to find the "culture" of each company and see if it fits with your way to work and what you can contribute to the company.
(BTW, given everything else equal, probably I'll choose to develop the middleware but YMMV and everybody is different)
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