Originally posted by D.W. Smith:
Who ended up better off?
Originally posted by JiaPei Jen:
I would be very sympathetic if you felt bitter about an entire lifespan comparison at your death bed.
So I am less interested in someone's college experience and more interested in that they have a degree and demonstrate to me in an interview that they can do the job.
CIAO Peter M. Cooke
My blood is tested +ve for Java.
Originally posted by vinod awar:
"Life is unfair, better get used to it"![]()
Originally posted by vinod awar:
"Life is unfair, better get used to it"![]()
CIAO Peter M. Cooke
Mark Herschberg, author of The Career Toolkit
https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
GPA is based on memorization, mathematical/scientific calculation and application, and general analysis. Career success depends on those but at least as important are communication skills, teamwork, networking, the right attitude, negotiation skills, determination, enjoyment of your job/industry, hard work, personal planning, etc.
You need to change your attitude. You can say life isn't fair or that your unlucky or come up with any other reason, but until you believe that you control your own fate you will never be successful.
Originally posted by D.W. Smith:
That's my problem right there. I couldn't possibly deliver a speech even if I were to spend a month memorizing the entire speech (I suppose that's what you mean by communication skills), and my social skills and personality type make it difficult for me to develop good networking skills (knowing how to make friends who will help you find a job in the future) and negotiation skills (which I suppose means being able to talk your way into a great job).
Originally posted by D.W. Smith:
That's why when they tell you "study hard and you will have a great job," they are not really lying, it's just that it is assumed that you have all those other skills or, at the very least, that they are easy to acquire.
Mark Herschberg, author of The Career Toolkit
https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
Originally posted by D.W. Smith:
I need to change more than just my attitude; I also need to change my personality type, my social skills, my worldview, my values, my demeanor, my temperament, my disposition blah blah blah just give me a new brain and let me start over again.
But seriously, I do think it is sad that out of all the skills career success depends on, the one I struggled the least with is the one most students struggle the most with. That's why when they tell you "study hard and you will have a great job," they are not really lying, it's just that it is assumed that you have all those other skills or, at the very least, that they are easy to acquire.
** You Can Only Change Yourself
The following is inscribed on the tomb of an Anglican Bishop in Westminster Abby (1100 A.D.) �
When I was young and free and my imagination had no limits, I dreamed of changing the world. As I grew older and wiser, I discovered the world would not change, so I shortened my sights somewhat and decided to change only my country.
But it, too, seemed immovable.
As I grew into my twilight years, in one last desperate attempt, I settled for changing only my family, those closest to me, but alas, they would have none of it.
And now, as I lie on my deathbed, I suddenly realize: If I had only changed myself first, then by example I would have changed my family.
From their inspiration and encouragement, I would then have been able to better my country, and who knows, I may have even changed the world.
SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA
... for me to develop good networking skills (knowing how to make friends who will help you find a job in the future) ...
Teamwork? I don't see what's the big deal. If it means being able to work on a project with people each of whom will contribute different bits ...
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
You have simply defined "good job" to be one which requires skills you have selected to ignore.
Let me ask you this, what did you hope to get by posting this thread? Advice on how to change? A fairy godmother who will wave a wand and give you a job for which you admit you lack the skills to get? Company that misery so enjoys? Or something else all together?
Originally posted by D.W. Smith:
You have simply defined "good job" to be one which requires skills you have selected to ignore.
Yes and no. I never said I wanted a managerial type of job... I want is a job where I will be writing Java code.
Mark Herschberg, author of The Career Toolkit
https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
[QB]
Exactly, and the point you're missingis that in many companies writing Java code is not a solo activity, but one which requires teamwork, communication skills, etc.
If you want a job which doesn't emphasize these skills, find a company where you are one of a handful of programmers in a support role on some non-critical project. You'll get little recognition and little opportunity for advancement, but you'll also get fewer people who will want/need to spend time with you.
I don't care about recognition and I don't care about advancement. If I like what I am doing, why would I want to advance to some type of managerial or supervisory role? Any why would I need recognition? I try not to place my happiness on what people think about me, you know.
Originally posted by Henry Wong:
[QB]
Generally recognition or advancement, or even both, are triggers for raises, bonuses, etc. This may explain why your friend with a "2.6 GPA, state school, makes more money than [you] make".
And BTW, advancement does not imply management -- most companies have technical tracks for advancement.
SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA
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