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Announcing the NetDIVE Java contest - $20,000 in awards

 
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Sponsored by NetDIVE Inc., the CMC (Communication, Messaging & Community Building) International Java contest is for software developers in the international business and academic communities.
The goal of this contest is to promote the creation and availability of the most innovative and original software components (written 100% in Java) for plug-in into the client side of NetDIVE software systems. All NetDIVE software systems are based on client/server, peer-to-peer and distributed architecture written in Java.
The Winners of the NetDIVE CMC International Java contest will be selected by NetDIVE judges and will be awarded a total of $20,000.00 (US). The Winners will be announced at a special party during the JavaOne Show in San Francisco (Moscone Center) - June 4 through 8/2001.
Individuals and teams of software programmers may submit their Java component for consideration. Although you may submit an entry which is for any area of Internet communication, messaging & community building extra credit will be given for entries that are for the following industry specific categories: Distant learning, Finance, Banking, Health care, Games, Engineering (mechanical, civil, electrical, etc.) or Travel.
Register now: www.netdive.com/index-jc.htm
About NetDIVE: NetDIVE with head quarters in San Francisco CA is the leading developer of software systems for enabling Internet communication, messaging & community building.
 
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And what is the copyright / ownership of the source code relationship in this contest?
 
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Cheap labor trick! $20,000.00 bait to lure hundreds (if not thousands) programmers to work for them for nothing, well except the winner.
 
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Copied from their rule:
12. Entrant waives all claim to intellectual property rights in the entry, including patent rights and copyright, and waives all moral rights, except where prohibited. To the extent that such waiver is ineffective or unenforceable, Entrant hereby grants Sponsor a non-exclusive license to copy, modify, display, and sublicense the entry without geographical limitations or further compensation to Entrant of any kind, for a period of Seven (7) years from the date of entry.


Open your eyes, please!
[This message has been edited by Roseanne Zhang (edited February 09, 2001).]
 
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What a scam!
 
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On the other hand, though, as far as I can tell, their contract only applies if you want to sell your software. If you produce it under a free-distribution licence such as the GPL then they don't get any rights that everyone else hasn't already got.
As someone once said, you can only con someone who's greedy.
 
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"you can only con someone who's greedy."
I connot agree you more!!!
 
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However, you can bet THEY intend to make a profit off the code from this contest, GPL or not.
 
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Cindy
I think you have an excellent point here. If I get 10 working programs from programmers who think their work has a good chance to win $20,000, please ignore the greedy factor for now, I think that I can easily to make a huge profit from their work too. Those poor programmers have not even a chance to claim their right.
Roseanne
 
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Originally posted by Roseanne Zhang:
Cindy
I think you have an excellent point here. If I get 10 working programs from programmers who think their work has a good chance to win $20,000, please ignore the greedy factor for now, I think that I can easily to make a huge profit from their work too. Those poor programmers have not even a chance to claim their right.
Roseanne


Guys,
I have read the whole discussion that is going on regarding our contest. We would however like to announce that we do not require the source code and we will not reuse the bytecode sent to us by the contestents without their agreement.

 
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So, they would get a chance to negotiate the sale of it, if you approached them??? Even if they are not the winner??
Well that's much better.
 
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Hi Cindy,
Yes, the developers that will send NetDIVE their bytecode (and source code if they want), will continue to own it. NetDIVE will not resell their job without their agreement (winner or not of the Java contest).
Actually NetDIVE may be interested to buy the source code of the best plugins.
Vincent
VP of Technology

Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
So, they would get a chance to negotiate the sale of it, if you approached them??? Even if they are not the winner??
Well that's much better.


 
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Go to their website, the contest rule did not change any:
That is your legal contract with them, not what they said here!

Copied from their website now:
12. Entrant waives all claim to intellectual property rights in the entry, including patent rights and copyright, and waives all moral rights, except where prohibited. To the extent that such waiver is ineffective or unenforceable, Entrant hereby grants Sponsor a non-exclusive license to copy, modify, display, and sublicense the entry without geographical limitations or further compensation to Entrant of any kind, for a period of Seven (7) years from the date of entry.


Open your eyes. Who do you believe? You don't need to believe what roseanne said here. However, you should believe what they put on their website!!!
Roseanne
[This message has been edited by Roseanne Zhang (edited March 04, 2001).]
 
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Dear respected Vincent Zimmermann
VP of Technology
Would you please use what you said here to replace what I quote from your website?
Thanks a lot!
Roseanne
[This message has been edited by Roseanne Zhang (edited March 04, 2001).]
 
Roseanne Zhang
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Please notice
Radha Sarma's post happened on Feb. 27th, Tuesday, not today.
Today is Sunday, just in case you forgot.
 
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Quote the whole page here for your future comparison:
Copied Mar 5th 12:40am GMT



Rules
Who May Enter?
1. You must be 18 years or older.
2. You may reside in USA or any Country outside USA. This contest is void where prohibited, taxed, or restricted by law.
3. You may not be an employee or contractor of NetDIVE Inc. or affiliated in any way with the judging panel.

All entries must be submitted on an individual entrant basis ("individual" defined as a natural person), or on a group or team basis, in which case the registration and submission will identify a leader of such group or team. Entry by corporations is not valid.

It is not necessary to purchase anything from NetDIVE to participate in this contest or to win.
This contest is sponsored by
NetDIVE, Inc. ("Sponsor"),
353 Kearny St., 4th Floor,
San Francisco CA 94108.
Ph: (415) 981.4545
Fx: (415) 981.4546
Em: contest@netdive.com
To Enter
1. Agree to the Terms of the contest. PLEASE NOTE: By participating in the Contest you will be giving your full and unconditional agreement to and acceptance of the Official contest Rules.
2. Write a component(s) to be added to NetDIVE's SiteSticky or WeMessage systems based on Java 1.0 for SiteSticky and Java 1.1 for WeMessage.
3. Follow the instructions, which you will be sent via e-mail, to submit your work.
Official Contest Rules
The individual ("Entrant") entering into this contest sponsored by NetDIVE ("Sponsor") agrees to abide by the following rules without exception.
1. Any tax or duty on a prize is the sole responsibility of the winner.
2. No substitution or transfer of prizes permitted, except by under the
sole discretion of Sponsor.
3. All prizes will be awarded. If any prize winner cannot accept the prize, then the prize will be awarded to an alternate, runner-up winner.
4. Entrants agree to hold NetDIVE and any other sponsor of this contest their respective divisions, affiliates, subsidiaries, advertising and promotional agencies harmless against all claims or liabilities arising directly or indirectly from their entry into this contest or the winning of the prize.
5. Entrants agree that the Sponsor and each of their respective divisions, affiliates, subsidiaries, parent companies and their agencies and employees shall not be liable for injury, loss or damage of any kind resulting from participating in this promotion or from the acceptance or use of any prize awarded.
6. Entrant agrees that by entering into this Contest his/her name(s), and/or photographs and submissions in any and all media may be used by the Sponsor for promotional purposes without additional compensation, unless prohibited by law.
7. Entrant warrants that his/her entry is original, that the Entrant has full rights to the submission and that no other person owns or has any rights to any element of the entry including but not limited to copyrights or patents.
8. Entrant agrees that the software and associated material submit is not confidential. That the Sponsor and its judges will have the right to download, view, and use all software in any manner.
9. Entrant acknowledges and agrees that in the event any future program created by Sponsor and any of Sponsor's respective divisions, affiliates or subsidiaries bears any resemblance in idea, type, format, style, and/or other aspects to their entry, they shall have no rights against any of the Sponsors, or affiliated companies, or any such companies' agents, employees, officers, directors, employers or shareholders and they agree to indemnify them from and against any claim, action or proceeding which they or their successors may bring or assert in connection herewith.
10. Entrant further understands that their Entry may be destroyed by the Sponsor after the judging process has been completed and that their Entry will not be returned.
11. Entrant acknowledges Sponsor reserve the right to correspond with any entrant, via mail or email, but is not required to do so in any instance.
12. Entrant waives all claim to intellectual property rights in the entry, including patent rights and copyright, and waives all moral rights, except where prohibited. To the extent that such waiver is ineffective or unenforceable, Entrant hereby grants Sponsor a non-exclusive license to copy, modify, display, and sublicense the entry without geographical limitations or further compensation to Entrant of any kind, for a period of Seven (7) years from the date of entry.
13. Entrant agrees that e-mail shall satisfy any writing requirement which may apply to intellectual property licenses.
14. Entrant acknowledges that Sponsor may at its sole discretion terminate, suspend or extend this Contest without paying any awards. In particular, the Sponsor may terminate this Contest if an insufficient number of Entrants enter the Contest or an insufficient number of unique or what the Sponsor thinks, at its Sole discretion, as qualified submissions are made as the final work for evaluation.
15. Entrant agrees that any and all disputes, claims, and causes of action arising out of or connected with this Contest, or any prizes awarded, shall be resolved individually, without resort to any form of class action, and exclusively by arbitration under the International Arbitration Rules of the American Arbitration Association in San Francisco, California
16. Entrant agrees that any and all claims, judgements and awards shall be limited to actual out-of-pocket costs incurred, including costs associated with entering this Contest but in no event attorneys' fees
17. Entrant agrees that under no circumstances will Entrant be permitted to obtain awards for and Entrant hereby waives all rights to claim punitive, incidental and consequential damages and any other damages, other than for actual out-of-pocket expenses, and any and all rights to have damages multiplied or otherwise increased.
18. Entrant agrees that all issues and questions concerning the construction, validity, interpretation and enforceability of these Official Rules, or the rights and obligations of Entrant and Sponsor in connection with the Contest, shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of California, U.S.A., without giving effect to any choice of law or conflict of law rules or provisions (whether of the State of California, U.S.A., or any other jurisdiction), which would cause the application of the laws of any jurisdiction other than the State of California, U.S.A.

Notification of Winners
All winners will be notified via email. The winners may be required to complete an affidavit of eligibility and other documents toward releasing whatever information that the company deems to the public. All such document(s) must be signed by the winners and returned to NetDIVE in under 10 days from the date they are emailed out. Failure to sign and return the documents, or to comply with any and all the official terms or rules may result in disqualification of the winner and the moneys won to be awarded to another Entrant. The list of the winners and the description of the work that resulted in the winning will be displayed at NetDIVE Web site under http://www.netdive.com/contest/. The terms and rules of this Contest are subject to all laws applying. This Contest is Void where prohibited by law.

 
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kewl!!

regds
gautham kasinath
 
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Just wondering but why is this post here and not in the Blatant Advertising... perhaps the Blantant Advertising could also come to cover various contests, etc.
Merely a thought regarding the ranch house rooms, and not a critique.
 
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It's there too. No activity on it though. Someone could have closed this, but there was so much comment on it I suppose that it just didn't get done.
 
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No, please do not close this one.
We are still waiting for the answer from
Dear respected Vincent Zimmermann
VP of Technology

Everlasting waiting!!!
 
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Gee, they never got back to us. What a shock. But they did eventually resolve the contest, by not giving anyone any money. Read the Statement from NetDive. Actually, I'll repost it here, in case they change their minds again later.


Statement from NetDIVE Legal Department
Initially, after careful consideration of all the submissions, we concluded that only one submission scored high enough according to our judging criteria to earn a prize. Upon further reflection, and review of our rules, we have found it necessary to terminate the entire contest entirely and not award any prizes.
In making our final decision regarding the Contest, some of the factors which led us to this decision were:
1. We have sole discretion to do so at anytime.
2. Insufficient number of entrants.
3. Insufficient number of unique or what we felt in our discretion were submissions which met minimum scoring standards.
4. Complaints from entrants that we had changed our rules by awarding one prize only instead of terminating the entire contest as rule 14 describes.
For your information, below is a listing of the judging criteria used, the submissions, and their respective scores:
JUDGING CRITERIA
1. Communication features, usage of NetDIVE API : 40%
2. Graphic user interface : 20%
3. Web browser compatibility; Java(1.0.2, 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3): 10%
4. Ease of use: 10%
5. Innovation and originality : 10%
6. Quality of documentation, source code design- if included : 10%
Minimum 51% score required to win a prize
Minimum 71% required to win the second prize
Minimum 81% required to win the first prize
MARKS
alderg / GraphPad: 0 15 2 8 5 5 => 35%
virtual_max / Minesweeper: 25 15 8 7 4 4 => 63%
virtual_max / Domino: 25 10 8 5 3 4 => 54%
gercho / Checkers: disqualified, not working.
marcinko / StickyShop: 0 14 8 7 5 7 => 41%
marcinko / StickyPoll: 0 13 8 7 4 7 => 39%
nstepan / W3Eval: 0 12 2 4 6 5 => 29%
Alessandro / Greed: 0 16 8 6 6 5 => 41%
good_ua / CrossWord: disqualified, not working.
chunyenliu / BuddyMap: 0 15 8 7 5 6 => 41%
chunyenliu / PhotoBreakout: 0 15 8 7 3 6 => 39%
fahadahmed / Power Search: 0 12 8 8 5 7 => 40%
zorind / eCartoonist: 0 18 8 6 7 7 => 46%
hamamh / 14 Optic Applets: 0 14 8 4 5 5 => 36%
rkp / Country Info: 0 13 8 6 4 7 => 38%
angevine / Gold Prospector: 20 11 8 1 4 6 => 50%
Try out all of the submissions by going here.

Please keep in mind that any communication or publication which is defamation, casts a false light on, or interferes with the business transactions of NetDIVE will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We only feel it necessary to include this statement because of the threats we have received from some of the entrants, and in no way intend it to be a threat to anyone acting in good faith.
In conclusion, we thank all of the entrants for their participation and wish all of you success in your future endeavors. We are disappointed with the result as well, and were hoping to have received more submissions as well as more submissions which met our minimum scoring criteria so that we could have had a more positive result.


In light of the penultimate paragraph, I will point out the the opinions expressed in this post are my own (just as Roseanne's are her own, and Cindy's are her own, etc.) and in no way represent any sort of official statement from JavaRanch. Except to the extent that I'd like to think that most folks at JavaRanch have a certain amount of common sense, and can interpret NetDive's rules for what they are.
 
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Oh yes - let's not overlook that even according to their own judging process (and let's just assume that this was fair, for the moment), one entry was worthy of third prize. But apparently they couldn't give it to him/her, because of


4. Complaints from entrants that we had changed our rules by awarding one prize only instead of terminating the entire contest as rule 14 describes.


Um, what were the rules in this case? Let's see:

14. Entrant acknowledges that Sponsor may at its sole discretion terminate, suspend or extend this Contest without paying any awards. In particular, the Sponsor may terminate this Contest if an insufficient number of Entrants enter the Contest or an insufficient number of unique or what the Sponsor thinks, at its Sole discretion, as qualified submissions are made as the final work for evaluation.


Key point here - the sponsor may terminate the contest. They certainly aren't required to do so. So it appears that they decided that one contestant was worthy of a prize, then they decided that they weren't even going to award that, since the rules gave them an escape clause. Sure, they seem to have a legal right to do what they did. But it stikes me as a pretty underhanded move - and blaming it on complaints from other entrants is just trying to create confusion to hide their actions.
 
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Jim
Thank you for the follow-up. It is a good eye-oponer.
As Frank quoted: "you can only con someone who's greedy."
Someone was offering something for free in our SCJD Group, something is going to deliver to your mailbox, etc. etc.
When I asked the offerer to post it on our Files area, and save him/her tons of trouble, the answer is a very mad "NO!". I do not know what was on the back, but suspicious at the least.
The NetDIVE stuff just did not smell right. :
Roseanne

 
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Another scam is going on everywhere, even send to my email address, our SCJD Study group as well as here

SCAM
 
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In fact they did award the third prize, but when we stated that it was absurd to have a third prize and not to have a first they disclosed the "judging criteria", which was never available before and then they just took the prize back... You may read further here
 
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About the submissions ownership: http://www.netdive.com/contest/rule12.htm
You should also check the contest homepage, and judge by YOURSELF. All the received submissions can be tested online, we cannot be more transparent.
You will see that most of the few submissions we received are completely out of subject (ie NetDIVE CMC Contest, Communication Messaging, Community building) http://www.netdive.com/contest/
 
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Wow, it only took them 4 months to reply.
The rule says this:
"Entrant hereby grants Sponsor a non-exclusive license to copy, modify, display, and sublicense the entry without geographical limitations or further compensation to Entrant of any kind, for a period of Seven (7) years from the date of entry."
So anything that you submit to them becomes usable by them for 7 years without any compensation.
There is a clever way out of this. Take some code that is currently uder GNU license and include it in your code. Under the GNU license, your code becomes automatically GNU licensed as well.
 
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I love your idea! The idea itself worth to publish a paper, and post it everywhere people can read.
Roseanne
 
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