Do the Company cares Employee during Exit ????

[Muni Sammy]

I got a offer from a company a month back, they asked me to join the company with in 2 weeks. i informed that i have a notice period for 3 Months, however i have only 2 weeks of project dependency so i will try my level best to join as per your dates. Then i came and put down my papers in my present company.

I stayed late nights in office to make sure i am finishing all my responsibilities which i was holding at that time, and i also informed to my manager that i can come on Saturday and Sundays to make sure that i will transfer all knowledge as required.

However all my responsibility's are over, till now they not yet come up with my Last Date, i requested them to relieve me soon and i also given a specific date in my mails....I sent 6 followup's mails to them and they not even reply for a single mail.

At the same time my new company wants me some fixed relieving date, which i can't give due to my manager.They are asking me to join with out relieving letters, however the company which i am going to join is a really a dream company to work,i am expecting a long term relation with that company may be more than 8 years.So i don't rush in join them, however if i am loosing them then i will be a big loose for me.

My New company what me to join without Relieving letters, but i don't want to join. This may have impact in my currier when i travel onsite.However my present company giving more pressure with out any updates and i was totally free from last week.Now i started to come to office very late and pushing from office very early, i think what i doing is Right, because i was stayed late nights when i was finishing my work, but they are not respected that.... i really feels they are planning to give more pressure on my head so that i can stay back in the same company... in what ever reason (if i have don't have offers also) if i don't want to stay in present company at any time....

I am totally frustrated with my current company behaves,I really don't know this is what company cares when the Employee exits.


I really don't know how i have to behave to this situation, did i have to go harsh with my present company or keep head shaking for what ever they say........

Please advice me can i join my new company with out relieving letters or can i stay calm here ....to get my papers but they may take 3 months to do that ... however i will loose my dream company ......

Please Share your thoughts what you will do if you are in this situation.


Thanks a lot guys ..
[ June 12, 2008: Message edited by: Muni Sammy ]

[Ulf Dittmer]

This is not a good subject to be using email for (since you mention having sent multiple mails). Have you talked to all involved in person (or by phone if in person isn't possible due to location)? If not, or even if so, I'd advise to do so again, and try to convey your situation, and also what steps you've taken to make the separation as painless as possible to your present company.

Seriously, email is not a good channel of communication for important matters.

[Arjun Shastry]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:

However all my responsibility's are over, till now they not yet come up with my Last Date, i requested them to relieve me soon and i also given a specific date in my mails....I sent 6 followup's mails to them and they not even reply for a single mail.

Thats politics.Many companies play this game when employees leave.I see two possibilities here:
1)They are trying to find where you are going and how much you will be paid.Make sure you don't reveal this information to company loyal boys.If you have already revealed then they are in a stage of preparing something more attractive to you.(long term onsite!!)
2)The people you had a talk (HR manager/your supervisor)about resignation are kind of people who demand high respect from coemployees.If you have made statements such as "I am resigning because my current job sucks!" or "I am resigning because I am underpaid here" then these kind of statements might be taken at personal level and these kind of people are hurt and delieberatly delay the process.
Best way is just keep cool.and don't show any anxiety.They are waiting for you to become anxious.You are paid in your current company.So they will reply back to you.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Don't loose your relieving letter at cost. You will regret this in the future. Look out for some other company.

There is nothing called as dream company. My dream company had turned into a nightmare.

[Muni Sammy]

Daily i will ask my manager in about my relieving date, but he always says he was not able to commit the date which i will going to relieve...
He says that it may be 2 months or it may take 3 months also.....

[Muni Sammy]

Please advice me some of Best companies which are in [My Location] to work for, so that i will not the opportunity's which i got right now.

Please use PM to share the company names, as javaranch policy will not allow you to compare the company names
[ June 12, 2008: Message edited by: Mark Herschberg ]

[Mark Herschberg]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:
Please advice me some of Best companies which are in [My Location] to work for, so that i will not the opportunity's which i got right now.

Please use PM to share the company names, as javaranch policy will not allow you to compare the company names

Please do not use PMs as we don't want discussion of this nature on JavaRanch (the forums, PMs, the wiki, or anywhere else). Topics like this should not be raised here.

I modified the original post quoted above (something I would always rather not do) because if we permit it, then out discussion boards would be flooded with "tell me about X company--but tell me via PM" and the discussion board would value would degrade.

--Mark
[ June 12, 2008: Message edited by: Mark Herschberg ]

[Pradeep bhatt]

There is a yahoo group. you can discuss there. I dont remember the name though.

[Muni Sammy]

oh i understand, thanks mark for your updates.

Do you think the behavior which i doing in the present company is right?
[ June 12, 2008: Message edited by: Muni Sammy ]

[Muni Sammy]

i was like to know do every companies will behave the same manner when we leave the company... then what care the company take as a Employee

[Pradeep bhatt]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:
i was like to know do every companies will behave the same manner when we leave the company... then what care the company take as a Employee

I think so. That is my experience too. If you are very bad performer they will be happy. If you are average then ..

[Muni Sammy]

Originally posted by Prad Dip:


I think so. That is my experience too. If you are very bad performer they will be happy. If you are average then ..

Prad Dip what you mean to say in this quotes, are they will happy when we are not performing well ???

it really shows why the Employee MUST NOT BE LOYAL TO A COMPANY which behaves like this.....

In Current market i really don't think Loyality between the Employer and employee..Which i initially felt bad and now i do agree that we should now be loyal our Employer also ......

[arulk pillai]

You should not be generalizing based on one company. There are good ones too.

[Muni Sammy]

Most of Indian Service based companies are keeping Notice period as Three months, do you think is this a loyal .... Eventhough if you don't have any dependency you have to be their for 3 months ....

I learned in America most of company have a one day Notice ....then why 3 months here ...

[Pradeep bhatt]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:
Most of Indian Service based companies are keeping Notice period as Three months, do you think is this a loyal .... Eventhough if you don't have any dependency you have to be their for 3 months ....

I learned in America most of company have a one day Notice ....then why 3 months here ...

3 months are becoming common in most companies these days. When economy becomes tough these companies will not hesitate to reduce the notice to 1 month. The rules can be changed at companies will and not employee's.

[Paul Sisco]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:
Most of Indian Service based companies are keeping Notice period as Three months, do you think is this a loyal .... Eventhough if you don't have any dependency you have to be their for 3 months ....

I learned in America most of company have a one day Notice ....then why 3 months here ...

Two weeks is the custom in America. Some people give more, and some give less. I Have given from two to four weeks notice when I left previous jobs, and I set the date of my last day.

I am not familiar with the customs in India, but 3 months seems excessive. It sounds like the company holds all the cards, and you, the employee, are their property.

You definately need to pay attention to the contract you signed when you started with them. My current contract says that either I or my employer can terminate my position without warning. It's a small world, so I wouldn't try it.

[Mark Herschberg]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:
oh i understand, thanks mark for your updates.

Do you think the behavior which i doing in the present company is right?

I'm afraid I don't understand your situation. US federal law (and I presume nearly every state has a similar law) prevents companies from forcing you into employment. You may have 2 weeks notice (or some other period) in your contract, although I think even then they can't hold you to it (but that may vary by state).

(Now even though you didn't mention this, I suspect you might be employed outside the US. If that's the case, then it really depends on laws and customs of that country as well as the customs of the country in which the company is headquartered.)

--Mark

[Sai Surya]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:
Most of Indian Service based companies are keeping Notice period as Three months, do you think is this a loyal .... Eventhough if you don't have any dependency you have to be their for 3 months ....

I learned in America most of company have a one day Notice ....then why 3 months here ...

Did you considered buying out notice period option? Eventhough, notice is three months, there will be a clause in your offer letter which states that you can buy the notice period.

Perhaps you can work it out this way by buying notice period, tell your new employer to pay you back the money you spent on buying notice period with existing employer.

[Muni Sammy]

Hi Sai Surya,

i ready to pay out for the buying the notice period and the new is also ready to pay for that. however my present company is not ready to accept it and their are not ready to say any exact date....

i was resigned a month back till now i not yet have any updates from company .... this is not fair

[D Kumar]

sorry to hear this

[Sai Surya]

Originally posted by Muni Sammy:
Hi Sai Surya,

i ready to pay out for the buying the notice period and the new is also ready to pay for that. however my present company is not ready to accept it and their are not ready to say any exact date....

i was resigned a month back till now i not yet have any updates from company .... this is not fair

No, what was mentioned in your offer letter? The clause clearly states whether you have right to buy the notice period. Check your offer letter of the current employer.
[ June 17, 2008: Message edited by: Sai Surya ]

[Muni Sammy]

there was a trap, if company agrees then only we can buy the notice, its bad things which Most of the Service Companies does in INDIA.

[Nitin Nigam]

Dark side of a leaving employee--
Start influencing people around you. Start educating them as how to face job interviews. Tell them about tricky questions you have faced. Surf the net and prepare some more questions and tell them. Study about the technical stuff (of your profile) and start teaching your coworkers with same profile. This way you will be preparing yourself for the new job and your manager will start panicking(that others will start leaving). And probably they will talk to you as soon as possible.

[Sai Surya]

Originally posted by Nitin Nigam:
Dark side of a leaving employee--
Start influencing people around you. Start educating them as how to face job interviews. Tell them about tricky questions you have faced. Surf the net and prepare some more questions and tell them. Study about the technical stuff (of your profile) and start teaching your coworkers with same profile. This way you will be preparing yourself for the new job and your manager will start panicking(that others will start leaving). And probably they will talk to you as soon as possible.

No don't do this. If you do this, your present employer may try to trouble you even more. Best way is to meet your new employer personally and explain them the situation you had. Since already you served one month, its a matter of two more months. Convince your new employer. I am sure it works.

[Muni Sammy]

i tried all the options,but thats not going to work out. now i am looking for other offers, so that i will be in the safe side ...

[Pradeep bhatt]

Have you joined new company?

[harikotas mitha]

Yes I clearly got your problem faced the same situation 1 year back.

Here in such a situation what ever you are in, you can follow the below lines.

1) Please check with your leaves you are remained with and apply them...if suppose there are only two to three leaves dont worry, you can apply leave as a loss of pay for two months (prepare documents in such a way that you are suffering with some health problem).

Then talk to your new employer that you are going to submit your relieving exactly after three months...(from the date you have resigned at your current employer). For example if you resigned your job on mar 10 then you will be getting your releiving by June 10. In such a case say your new employer that you will be submitting your releiving by July 1.

This surely works. Because I have handled the situation in the same way.

Madhumitha.