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anyone got a good site for laout tips/howto ?

 
William Quantrill
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Im looking for a url that offers up some good "howto" tips for dealing with layout issues. Lots of examples that show nested panels, using various layout mgrs and components.
Anyone got any good sites they can recomend ?
Ive been through the Swing tutorial and its ok for dealing with simple gui's, but when things get a little more complicated with nested containers for example, it would help to see more examples.
 
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http://www.jvider.com is useful - you can try out the demo of their app and it creates the Java code for the GUI you design. The demo is limited to 10 components.
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Brian Pipa - that jvider looks kool, i wish NetBeans would improve on their GUI builder some more. especially with rulers so i can keep dimensions in mind while im adding or re-arranging sub components.
Im looking for a website that has some tips on using the various layout managers with several components. for example, tips on laying out components in a gui with several components including nested panels etc...
 
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