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Vikas Kapoor
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Ain't they just placeholder?

How many of us care/dare to read the Policies/Rules & regulations/Terms of use at the time of account creation for particular website? For example, How many of us have read the JavaRanch Naming Policies?

So Don't these things seem like just a placeholder in a website?

Discuss.
 
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Someday, you may be involved in shipping some kind of actual product, with documentation. And you'll see users that ignore the documentation, make a mess, and then log support calls. Then c'mon back and tell us what you think of the statements above made by your younger self!
 
Jesper de Jong
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We do hold people to the naming policy. Almost every day I warn a few ranchers about their invalid name. If they deliberately seem to want to ignore multiple warnings, their account gets closed.

I'm not an expert in legal business, but terms of use are a legal necessity. For example, people have to understand that they are themselves responsible for what they write on Internet. When you create an account on a website you have to agree with the terms of use. It's your choice if you don't read the terms of use when you create an account, but if you go ahead and create the account you've legally agreed that you understood the terms of use, so if there would later be a conflict in any way, you can be held to your agreement.
[ September 05, 2008: Message edited by: Jesper Young ]
 
marc weber
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Originally posted by Vishal Pandya:
... How many of us have read the JavaRanch Naming Policies? ...

Well, those who don't follow the policy are definitely called on it.
 
Mark Spritzler
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Moving this to the JavaRanch forum, where this discussion is more appropriate.

Oh, if I didn't read the laws in another country, does that mean I can park anywhere and not get a parking ticket in that country. Not knowing the rules is not an excuse.

Mark
 
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Well, first, the previous incarnation of this topic gets trashed, which causes this topic in the JavaRanch forum....

http://www.coderanch.com/t/3499/Ranch-Office/Topic-Deletion

And now, this very topic clarifies to mean the naming policy, and gets moved to the JavaRanch forum. It seems that this subject just loves the JavaRanch forum...


As you can tell, the naming policy is definitely *not* a placeholder. It takes up a relatively large amount of time for the moderators to enforce, and many accounts get suspended because of it. There are only a few other infractions which gets more harsher attention than the naming policy -- Spam, Piracy, "be nice" violations.

Henry
[ September 05, 2008: Message edited by: Henry Wong ]
 
Jeanne Boyarsky
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I'd also like to mention that the JavaRanch Naming Policy was not written by a lawyer. It's very clear and readable - even with examples.

There's also a terms of use for this site. It's so short, you might not have even thought of it as a terms of use statement. In its entirety the terms are "be nice." I'd like to think that everyone managed to read those two words

(Lest this get misconstrued, everyone is being perfectly nice here - I'm just mentioning it since it seems on topic in this thread.)
 
Vikas Kapoor
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EFH,
You have made a correct point. You see when does it come into picture,when they find some problem.But people don't care at the time of registration.

Mark,
I thought Meaningless Drivel is the most appropriate forum for it as i didn't want to confine my point to JavaRanch only. I have given only example of javaranch naming policy.But may of the posters considered it as a question.

For example,How many of us have read the terms of use for Sun Website? very few. I haven't said that it is of no use but it is not used at what time it should be used (registration time). Rather at the time of some conflict/dispute moderators use it to show that this is our policy and you are bound to follow it.

Regarding parking tickets ,people are tend to be reactive than proactive.But please confine the discussion to web policies only.

Marc and other posters,
You are correct. But If they have read it for what it's been placed then we don't need to call anybody on board.

So practically, when they are getting used? and this why it becomes placeholder.

Be nice.This is the best part of this site.
[ September 17, 2008: Message edited by: Vishal Pandya ]
 
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broadly speaking, the terms of use are like a contract. whether you read them or not, when you sign up, you are basically agreeing to follow them and be bound by them.

You wouldn't sign a contract you never read, then days/weeks/months down the road say "well, i never read it so I'm not bound by them" or "I didn't read it, so really it's just meaningless", would you?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "placeholder". If you mean something that is just taking up space, you are wrong. Is your insurance policy a 'placeholder' if you never make a claim against it? Or does it have some value, even if you never use it?
 
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Looks like the bartenders and the sheriffs have already clarified with suitable examples.
In my view the Naming policy is definitely not at a "placeholder", although it may hold place on a new member's mind .
I have myself requested many new members to adhere to the policy, and those really interested in the ranch respond to it before their next post.
Also as the bartenders say defaulters get their account closed. So the policy is in action all the time.
If they put up a counter, almost every new registration will result in a hit to the policy page.
And as fred says, merely not reading a policy does not mean that you are not bound to it.
 
Jennifer Lawrence
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If it means anything, I just signed up and I read the naming policy.
 
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Welcome to the Ranch, Jennifer.
 
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