how many of you believe that the FBI really "misplaced" or "forgot" to introduce the 3,000+ documents during the trial of timothy mcveigh? here is my view: 1. i think the FBI knew more than they originally let us know. these documents pertain to another suspect (high profile suspect) that they have been investigating all the time, but did not have enough evidence to convict. now that they have the evidence, they need mcveigh to testify against the other person. so, 6 days before the execution they release the supposedly "misplaced" documents in order to get a stay of execution so they can call mcveigh as a witness. the documents probably did not exist to begin with, but they are willing to look like idiots in order to get the other person. 2. mcveigh confessed too easily... the bombing was more than 1 person could have executed as he said. there are other people behind this, and somehow they have him agreeing to be the martyr. 3. recently i read in a government document that there are indirect ties between mcveigh and the international terrorist Bin Ladin... i am wondering if they (FBI) has new information that requires mcveigh's living testimony to bring Bin Ladin to trial... maybe i am crazy, but this has been bothering me all morning.
I hadn't heard the news. Your theories are sound. It is obvious, IMO, that Timothy McVeigh did not act alone. Wasn't there two suspects when the bombing was first investigated? What happened to the other guy? The prosecutors maneuvering is definitely suspicious. They are fishing for bigger fish and Timothy McVeigh is going to give them up. He�s just a foot soldier turned fall guy in a much bigger conflict. IMHO. The confessed reasons for the bombing never made any sense to me anyway. Wasn't it in retaliation for Waco? Terrorists are madmen, but they usually have sound reasons for their actions. Something that sends a message to your enemies. This was just bizarre. Kill a bunch of innocent people, because the government killed a bunch of people? You would think they'd targeted something else to retaliate for Waco. Or maybe I should not be trying to apply logic to insanity.
Anxiety does not empty tomorrow of its sorrows, but only empties today of its strength. – Charles Spurgeon
I am afraid you've fallen into the trap that the govt. has set for you. Yes there are other people involved with the bombing in oklahoma, but Tim played the direct and central role in this fiasco. The other thing you are probably mistaken about is Bin Laden. I find it rather convienient that when something happens that is bad, we happen to have a guy we can dump it on. Sure Bin Laden may be a terrorist punk but I don't think he's responsible for every act of terrorism out there. If the bombing happened 2 years earlier than it did, the FBI would be saying that Saddam did it. I guess my point is that the FBI can screw up. If they are trying to get evidence against another suspect, I can see where a dumb FBI agent "forgot" to hand over some evidence.
posted 18 years ago
my information about bin laden is very good. i used to be in the navy, so my sources are reliable. the indirect link to him had something to do with funding or supplies used by mcveigh. maybe this is just because bin laden has so much power in the world of terrorism that he has indirect links to everything. kind of like the 6 levels to kevin bacon... which, btw, i have 5 levels to. and, no, i am not some conspiracy theory freak. i just think the timing of this is way too convenient as octavyn said. i seriously doubt that the FBI would have made such an error in a high profile case like this. as the day goes on i am hearing this theory thrown around more and more... but maybe we are all just crazy.
First of all, you can not imagine the amount of mistakes made by FBI and CIA - they are just in great position to cover it up. Secondly, if Bin Ladin was involved and FBI suspected it. They wouldn't have been able to kept it under the lid so long. Thirdly, I am getting tired of the latest escape goat person. If U.S. is serious in getting Bin Ladin, then why don't they just send in their commandoes and get him. I can see why they are not wanting to do that. If they had Bin Ladin in the bag, they won't be able to blame the next bombing on him. It's not everyday that Noriega, Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein, and Bin Ladin like personalities come along. They need some villain out there, the next time they want to go to a country to protect it, set up their troops out there, and charge money for it - ie. Saudi Arabia.
posted 18 years ago
i was in the Navy, so yes i can imagine the amount of mistakes made by the gov't. also, i was in the gulf when the kobar towers were bombed... my ship carried a SEAL team and a Marine Force Recon team. we were called out of Bahrain on 1 hour notice (along with 2 other ships) to chase a ship that was suspected to be carrying Bin Laden... we followed that ship for 3 days, but finally had to let it pull into Oman because we never got final confirmation that Bin Laden was actually on the ship. my job was electronic surveillance, so i did not sleep the entire 3 days of that evolution. i heard about Bin Laden's indirect connection right after the USS Cole bombing last October. there was a small article about it in Newsweek around December. if it wasn't classified, i would tell you the plan of action that the SEAL's and Recon guys were going to do for boarding the vessle. it was like something you would see in a Tom Clancy movie. believe me, WE WANT TO TAKE THAT MAN OUT! we are not leaving him alive for an "escape goat". you would not believe the amount of proceedure that is involved with someting like that. if it didn't matter, we would have boarded the ship and he would not be with us anymore.
Greg Harris, I hope you are still on this board and will see this post. Reflecting back on that time and knowing what we now know, that Tim was executed DESPITE the fact that the FBI was caught hiding documents that pertained to others involved in the bombing...do you realize now that this was never about getting Tim to roll over on those "others"? They NEVER wanted the others involved. They had their man, their "lone bomber". There have been some fascinating connections made between Chandra Levy and her involvement in the McVeigh execution witness pool and her untimely demise-a mere week or so before the missing documents fiasco was unleashed. It is rumored that she (as an intern for the BOP) was poking around in information about McVeigh's case-specifically who was visiting him while he was in prison in Terre Haute. Who knows.... I can tell you one thing for sure, as someone who has become close personal friends with James Nichols and has researched the bombing and McVeigh for 2 and half years now-there WAS a cover up-of grand proportions and I firmly believe bin Laden WAS involved and I always suspected that. I also don't think too many people realize the truth behind the Iraqi nationals who were set up in this country right after the Gulf War-in the areas of Florida, New Jersey and Oklahoma. Pretty coincidental these places are where many of the 9-11 terrorists came from, huh? There is so much to the OKC bombing and the connections to bin Laden and 9/11 that I could go on all night. Instead I will invite you to my website: www.mcveightragedy.com where my friend and I have compiled a lot of the information we have gathered as well as our own personal opinions on the tragedies (the bombing and Tim's murder by the US government). If you have any questions you can email me or join my message board where we talk about the bombing. Peace!