Originally posted by Greg Harris:
i am not sure, but i have heard rumors that the legal age (with parental concent) to marry here in georgia was 14 a few years ago. i know it is 14 in alabama right now because there is a local church that sent some of their 14-year-old girls over to alabama to be married... that is just wrong if you ask me.
Orginally posted by: Emerson Dunne
it is when people feel they can't find happiness that problems arise.
I don't know any Mormons personally, but I understand from my reading that they believe that they will take their family into the afterlife with them,
and it confers somehow more 'kudos' with the big G if you have a bigger family.
I would love to know where the idea for this sect or cult came from.
And I expect some may object to the use of the word 'sect' because most religions believe themselves to be the one true religion (which would make it a cult of course).
Has anyone read the book of mormon anyway?
didn't the writer claim that it was dictated to him by god?
anyone here a mormon?
do correct me if my statements are off the mark.
I am foreign (to utah) after all.
The main difference is the mormon believes in the book of Mormon and the restoration of prophethood to his/her church leaders (which can only be male).
The book of Mormon is purported to be the work of Prophets of a tribe of Israel that left the old world and ended up in the Americas.
Jesus is considered the saviour and is seen as a distinct entity from God the father.
Polygamy was part of the original belief and was encouraged until legal pressure was leveraged by the Federal Government. Polygamy was outlawed as part of the agreements for statehood.
Even though polygamy is discouraged, it is still part of the core belief that men can have multiple partners in the afterlife, while women cannot.
I heard that it is legal in Missouri to shoot Mormons, but only after dark. I'm not sure if that law has been repealed or not.
There was a time in Illinois, one of the cult's leaders (prophets?) really pissed off the Federal Govt by declaring that all his followers would vote the same way, the way that he told them to. Fairly contrary to our principle of one man one vote where every member of the electorate is supposed to be able to make a reasoned decision, wouldn't you say?
So how about the woman's role in the Mormon religion? It looks as though the religion is geared towards men in all ways. The women are in a subservient position to the men in that religion. Didn't feminism ever reach Utah, the 'promised land'? any female mormons here at javaranch? whaddayareckon?
Then there was that other thing about one of the other leaders (or 'prophets' as you so quaintly write) who had all the dead presidents come to him in a vision telling him that they wanted to be baptised. So all the dead presidents were posthumously baptised. They're all mormons now. Yes, all of them.
That's all true stuff. I'm not joking.
So if I decided to start my own religion, wrote another book in the style of the King James Bible to add to those existing, registered the religion as a non-profit organisation, granting me tax-exempt status, print myself some archbishop cards (or maybe pope cards - why not? you can never have too many popes) - I would then have total power over my followers, and make loads of (non-taxable) money from them. There is obviously one born every minute. It's all perfectly legal, and apparently not unusual.
Yep, I've decided, I'm gonna be a pope.
. . .polygamy used to be part of the church's accepted practices. It was not, however, encouraged.
The only problem I really have is nowhere have I ever seen or heard polygamy being allowed for women by any religion. What is wrong with this picture? In my opinion, if it should be allowed, then it should be allowed for anyone, gender aside.
But really, you are forgetting a few things... 1.) God told Joseph Smith to start the church... you just said that you decided to start your own religion... 2.) Joseph Smith did not write the Book of Morman, he translated it.
Also... once you founded this religion... if you and your followers were heavily persecuted... would you be willing to die for your "religion"? Both Jesus and Jospeh Smith did...
The only problem I really have is nowhere have I ever seen or heard polygamy being allowed for women by any religion.
If God is as fair as everybody seems to believe, then he/she should not let it happen this way.
So anyone who claims to have heard the voice of God is a prophet? There are numerous books in the psychic/UFO section of any bookstore written by people who claim the same thing, and they also "translate" or channel the "word of God", often through alien races or ancient societies from Atlantis. Are they in the same boat as the Mormons? I don't mean to insult anyone, but to an outsider they really are identical. There's no way to discern a true claim from a sham or somone who is well-intentioned but totally deranged.
Well, David Koresh in Waco did too. But I hardly think that makes him a prophet. Faith and devotion are not automatically good; many followers of Charles Manson and Jim Jones had great faith in them as well. Again, I don't mean to offend. I think there are some religious leaders out there worthy of devotion, but there are also many who are total scumbags who hurt their followers for their own gain. How is a person on the outside to judge? Perhaps there is no way to explain why the Mormon church or the Buddha or Jesus or whatever sect appeals to one person so strongly yet seems like a magnet for loonies to another. But it seems like there should be some somewhat universal guidelines for assessing any sect or religion. Thoughts, anyone?
Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
I think they should just leave this guy to get on with his life with his family. I don�t really understand why he�s being prosecuted anyway ... surely bigamy is only bigamy if one or more of the other wives don�t know about each other.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which
brought plural marriage to Utah and abandoned it as a requirement for
statehood, now excommunicates polygamists.
The state also banned the practice more than 100 years ago. But the
last major prosecution was in 1953, when the federal government raided the
polygamous town of Short Creek, on the Utah-Arizona border. Images of
children being torn away from their parents created a public relations
fiasco, and the government has mostly ignored practitioners.
In recent years, however, reports of frequent child abuse, welfare
fraud and incest in closed polygamous communities have lifted the
The 52-year-old is also fighting child rape charges stemming
from his marriage to his first wife when she was 13.