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I think we need to do better than letting individuals decide whether abortion is wrong or right for them. There is a moral absolute here ...
Being personally against abortion but favoring another's right to abortion is self-contradictory and morally baffling."
Your call for "humane abortion procedures" suggests that you, like me, know the unborn child is a human being and is even capable suffering pain at a point no later than 13.5 weeks after
conception.
In the sense that you parallel abortion and infanticide, it seems you even agree that abortion is a tragedy.
I don't understand why you would support such a thing merely because the practice of abortion has long been part of human history. The same could be said of slavery and rape, but certainly you wouldn't defend those!
Public attitudes toward abortion were found to be positively and significantly correlated with abortion statutes. Those countries that had the most restrictive statutes vis-a-vis abortion reported the lowest approval ratings for abortion and those countries that permitted abortion on demand reported the highest approval ratings for abortion.
In the words of Martin Luther King Jr., "Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless."
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Originally posted by Greg Harris:
i do not see how you can try to equate a human to a cow as far as the "right" to live is concerned. as for the parents of the child (married or not) they knew what the possibilities of their passion were. so if they are not prepared to accept that responsibility, then perhaps they should consider allowing another family (who cannot have children of their own) adopt their "mistake."
Pounding at a thick stone wall won't move it, sometimes, you need to step back to see the way around.
Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
An what about a woman who becomes pregnant as a result of being raped?? There was no control there, no passion. Why should she have to take responsibility for something which she really had no conscious part in creating?
Or a woman who may die if she continues her preganacy??
Do you draw a line? If so where.
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One of the reasons you state for your moral relativism is that of slavery ... So, in fact, if I have understood you, you do not truly believe in moral relativism after all. You believe slavery is absolutely wrong. (and I agree!)
As for acting on those absolutes ...
the fact that people disagree about something does not mean that there is no truth.
I think we need to do better than letting individuals decide whether abortion is wrong or right
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I humbly submit that if we apply reason to the matter..
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Jane Griscti
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Peter, you do not seem to be willing to see things from every perspective possible without polluting it with your own beliefs. If you are going to "look through the baby's eyes", you should treat the views accordingly so. This is a very touchy matter because it is very hard to understand what a baby is thinking, hence the disagreeing.
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I can not imagine women not wanting kids. I do believe it's abnormal not to want kids.
But I think one should be responsible enough to first not become pregnant
Women by default have a maternal nature - to be tender, loving, sharing and caring. We have to be true to our nature and not bend down to social rules.
I wish more women were vocal about their stand against abortion. I think they are just afraid to go against the norm.
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