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A) It's our own fault for endangering the fish in the first place
B) A couple of lives out of 6 Billion, big whoop
C) It's our own fault we have to protect forests now. We have overdeveloped so much, that we have to start worrying about forest fires. Oh well, it is what we have come to.
Shama
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Originally posted by Shama Khan:
Come on, since when is a human's life cheaper than an animal's.
Not cheaper equal.
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Firefighters Tom L. Craven, 30, Karen L. Fitzpatrick, 18, Devin A Weaver, 21,
and Jessica L. Johnson, 19, burned to death while cowering under protective
tents near the Chewuch River
Washington Firefighter Laid to Rest
ROSLYN, Wash. � Tom Craven's hearse was
an antique fire truck and his funeral cortege
Saturday was a string of pumpers, tankers and
green Forest Service rigs.
The career Forest Service firefighter was among
four crew members who died this week when a blaze exploded in the
northern Cascade Range. It was the country's deadliest wildfire since 1994.
"By all standards, Tom Craven ranks at the top. He had the biggest heart and
the biggest smile," Roger Krening, his former high school football coach, told
1,500 mourners at a memorial service.
Craven, 30, who was married and had a 7-year-old daughter and 4-year-old
son, began working for the Forest Service in 1990. He was assigned to the
Wenatchee National Forest in 1993, and was a squad boss, in charge of a
five-member crew.
An investigation into the
deaths of four young firefighters has found no
evidence that inexperience was to blame.
Instead, there was simply no time for the
firefighters to escape the inferno, a Forest Service
official said Monday.
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Originally posted by Conrad Kirby:
Jason, you ARE a fool. Ronnie here didn't say the firefighters were incompetent, he said YOU are. Wow, learn to read.
You aren't very modest about your accomplishments, which makes me suspicious. I know for a fact that Ronnie and I have both done a hell of a lot of volunteering for our age: 15.
I don't think you, Jason, or you Greg, realize that some people have different values. Personally, if I died from some "horrible" natural disaster, I would feel wonderful.
Originally posted by Ronnie Johnson:
Thank for implying that I have never done any volunteer work, it shows that you can make rational deductions. I have never been part of habitat for humanity , I have never monitored a telephone crisis line I just sit behind my keyboard all day long. Well Mr. High and Mighty that is better than everyone because he is a prefect fire fighter and good citizen, I feel like the world is short changed for not having as many arrogant people like you. Just because I say that lives are equal does not mean I hold human life in low regard, it just means that I hold all lives equally. I know since you are always doing good you must be typing this as you are flying off to battle some sort of evil, so I guess I will stop typing.
[This message has been edited by Ronnie Johnson (edited August 02, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Ronnie Johnson (edited August 02, 2001).]
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Originally posted by Ronnie Johnson:
If you are emplying that I wrote what "The Truth" said you would be wrong. Yes I did use different names beofre I registered but now I stick to one name. Besides that is not my style to be hurtful with no point. Also, you still don't seem to understand that it is not that I hold human life in low regard, it is that I hold all life in the same regard. Adrian is just to dumb, and unable to form a complete thought for me to waste my time replying to his garbage. Good luck with your space ship jack ass.
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Originally posted by Greg Harris:
hmmm, i did not expect to get type of response when i first posted the article... i actually expected everyone to be on the same side of this issue. but, an argument is always fun, right?
yes, conrad, i do realize that people have different views... believe me, i realize it more than you can imagine. after serving 4 years in the Navy (living on a ship with 3,000 of my closest friends) and traveling half-way around the world, i have experienced these different views a lot.
as for not being modest, i agree with jason that he was just trying to establish credibility. i was on the "fire party" on my ship for a couple years. our big concern was a fire in the engine spaces... they say the heat gets around 3000f (jason's description takes care of the rest). they also say the first 4 or 5 people on the hose are going to die... i was #3.
after drilling 3 times a week for several months, we thought we were invincible. one day, before our inspection, there was a real "fuel oil leak" in the #1 engine room (that usually leads to a main-space fire). as luck would have it, i was on duty that day. we were dressed and heading down to the space within 2 minutes... fortunately we were able to control the situation before the fire got going.
you should have seen the looks on the rest of the guy's faces when we were getting suited-up... everyone of us were thinking that we might die that day. the only reason i was able to go down that ladder was because i did not want to let my team down, so i put death out of my mind, and did my job. i cannot begin to imagine what it was like to see the flames approaching, then get inside the tents by the road that day, listening to the firestorm rushing over-head, and feeling the temperature sore to horrible heights.
i am not trying to take credit away from anyone's civil actions, but until you face death like that, i do not think you can really appreciate what those 4 firefighters went through. and, they were just the "mop-up" crew. the fire was supposed to be controlled, and the water was going to keep it from returning. they were not expecting to be overwhelmed that day.
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