Somebody here should stop acting as a policeman

[Jake the Snake]

One of you (or maybe more ?) bartenders/sheriffs should stop acting as a policeman here, and if you are so hungry for the power, then you should maybe become one in your real life.

Jake

[Thomas Paul]

Huh? Do you mind explaining that statement? Are you suggesting that the people who run this site don't have the right to edit/remove offensive posts?

[Greg Harris]

hmmm, now i am confused... what does the term Moderator mean?

[Thomas Paul]

Ummmm.... ok.

[Anonymous]

Well someone deleted my post for some reason....
Maybe the Bartender who posted a response felt he looked too foolish and could not take the responsibility for his own actions�..

[Thomas Paul]

Are you talking about the post where you exhibited racist tendencies against people who practice the Hindu faith?

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Greg Harris:
hmmm, now i am confused... what does the term [b]Moderator mean? [/B]

A Moderator is a person who moderates.

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:
Well someone deleted my post for some reason....
Maybe the Bartender who posted a response felt he looked too foolish and could not take the responsibility for his own actions�..

Another moderator was so nice that he (or she?) moved your ... [offensive language was deleted by Mapraputa Is] post to "Moderators Only", so nobody here will ever tell you that your are ... [offensive language was deleted by Mapraputa Is]. You should be grateful for removing your post, really.

[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited August 20, 2001).]

[Jake the Snake]

LOL
I originally posted this topic, however I dind't post those two replies somewhere in the middle. Those two carry my name so that is another example how hungry for the power are some of the moderators here.
I was actually quite surprised that you didn't censor my post too. Let's keep javaranch one happy place and let's pretend this is a perfect world! Censor everything that ****YOU**** might think is not appropriate!!!
Real Jake

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Are you talking about the post where you exhibited racist tendencies against people who practice the Hindu faith?

First off you CANNOT exhibit RACIST tendencies against a religious group. You can exhibit racist tendencies against a racial group.
Secondly I feel what I did was justified to defend my way of life. You responded to it then deleted it because my response made you look a little less than intelligent. You still are using words incorrectly.

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Another moderator was so nice that he (or she?) moved your ... [offensive language was deleted by Mapraputa Is] post to "Moderators Only", so nobody here will ever tell you that your are ... [offensive language was deleted by Mapraputa Is]. You should be grateful for removing your post, really.
[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited August 20, 2001).]

It is easy for you to say that I should be grateful for this. You are probably one of the people who feel that they are owed something by McDonalds for their own ineptness.
Why would someone go to the International House of Beef for fries if they did not want to eat beef, even miniscule amounts of beef?
You say I SHOULD be grateful for the removal of my post. Hindus now say McDonalds SHOULD cater to their needs, no matter how ridiculous they seem to McDonalds. In my country we have a little thing called freedom of religion. This also gives people the RIGHT not to practice YOUR religion if they see fit. Unfortunately I can only make small movements to correct the situation, but if we as a collective people make lots of small movements we could make this a much better country.

[Cindy Glass]

First of all, Thomas did NOT move your thread. He does not have the power to do that in this forum.
Secondly - anyone can sign on as Jake the Snake. It does not take a Moderator to do that.
Thirdly, the issue is not racism vs religious bigotry. The issue is stereotyping. The presumption that since SOME Hindus object to the way that McDonalds does business then EVERY Hindu should be punished for it. (Heck, who made YOU the enforcer?)
Last I heard this was a free country. Even Hindus are allowed their beliefs, EVEN if you don't agree, without fear of it impacting their jobs (or their future jobs). That is what freedom is about.

[Anonymous]

I agree with your point about McGrease. If you don't want beef, don't go there. And don't complain when you find you have been given beef. You probably get enough second-hand beef just walking in there to offend a practicing Hindu.
However, feeling hostile or aggressive toward a person because you have categorized them and assigned to them the desires of a group they belong to is very small-minded. I'm of German descent. Are you going to blame me for WWII? I'm a programmer. Am I to be blamed for the big fuss over the non-event of Y2K?
I am sure that you would not appreciate being held responsible for the actions of groups that you may belong to but don't control. You should be open-minded enough not to hold others responsible for things beyond their control. For all you know, that Indian guy may have been Catholic. There are a lot of Catholics in India, too. And they eat beef!

[Anonymous]

See it's ME - Cindy

[Fred Abbot]

I cannot use someone elses registered name

[Anonymous]

Just sign on as Jake (blank) the (2 blanks) Snake with no password and you are unregistered.

[Anonymous]

[Jake the Snake]

I was reffering to the posts from Jake the Snake "greenhorn" and not "unregistered". Somebody has registered as Jake the Snake even though the name was already taken. I can only think that moderator can do such. Well, happy editing and censoring guys!
J

[Cindy Glass]

Well I know that I can't use someone elses registered name. I have never seen any evidence that a Sheriff can either. Are you SURE you just didn't notice the "unregistered" label under the name?

[Mapraputa Is]

There is a small problem with unregistered snakes - they cannot delete their own post (correct me if I am wrong). So who deleted "false" Jake the Snake post?

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Bodie Minster:
I agree with your point about McGrease. If you don't want beef, don't go there. And don't complain when you find you have been given beef. You probably get enough second-hand beef just walking in there to offend a practicing Hindu.

However, feeling hostile or aggressive toward a person because you have categorized them and assigned to them the desires of a group they belong to is very small-minded.

I do not feel hostile or aggressive towards Hindu�s. I do not advocate the harming of anyone. I do on the other hand do not feel that I should have to live my life according to the lowest common intelligence denominator. If a group of people launch a Class Action lawsuit against someone precisely for the fact that they do not subscribe to their religion or honor their God(s) and none of the people stand up and say it is absurd I think that they are also accomplices. Unfortunately the way things are set up the only people who can criticize Hindu�s are Hindu�s. If I say something negative about a Hindu I am, as was misused, here a racist. Until I see Hindu�s admonish those amongst them I will continue to see Hindu�s as a threat.

I'm of German descent. Are you going to blame me for WWII? I'm a programmer. Am I to be blamed for the big fuss over the non-event of Y2K?

Are you suing or condoning by your silence the suing of Americans for bombing German cities during the war?

I am sure that you would not appreciate being held responsible for the actions of groups that you may belong to but don't control. You should be open-minded enough not to hold others responsible for things beyond their control. For all you know, that Indian guy may have been Catholic. There are a lot of Catholics in India, too. And they eat beef!

Yes, he may have been a Catholic. Too bad I could not ask. I feel I cannot afford to take the risk.

[Jake the Snake]

Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
Well I know that I can't use someone elses registered name. I have never seen any evidence that a Sheriff can either. Are you SURE you just didn't notice the "unregistered" label under the name?

Yes, I am very sure that it wasn't "unregistered". I have been actually a ranch hand for very long time and I am very well aware how things work here. When I posted my reply those two posts disapeared. I can only think of that someone here is abusing their powers. Oh well. It is not the first time.

[Lance Finney]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:

Yes, he may have been a Catholic. Too bad I could not ask. I feel I cannot afford to take the risk.

Hmmm... Seems we've got a troll here, folks. Don't feel the trolls.

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Jacob Golden:
Yes, he may have been a Catholic.

Stop, stop. You said he was Hindu. Or was he just Indian? Then we have to admit that Thomas was right and you did exhibit RACIST tendencies.

[Anonymous]

I think Jake the Snake that you are wrong. There is no proof that it was a moderator. Anyone could do it. Even you.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Lance Finney:
Hmmm... Seems we've got a troll here, folks. Don't feel the trolls.

Yes, please don't feel the Trolls. Stop labeling people Lance Old Boy. If you do not wish to contribute don�t. Calling me names is little more than a thinly masked prejudice.

[Anonymous]

Mapraputa Is, I was unaware that Indians were a race? Could you please tell me where you get this info?

[Cindy Glass]

What did you THINK that they were?

[Anonymous]

Well, I just may be showing a good education and a lack of brainwashing here but I have always thought (Asian) Indians were a nationality.
If I do not like French people am I a racist? No, I just do not like French people. I could like Belgians, are they racially different? Are all French people the same race? Does anyone here know what a race is?

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:
Mapraputa Is, I was unaware that Indians were a race? Could you please tell me where you get this info?

You seem to be unaware of many things.
From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

The population of present-day India thus includes a number of ethnic groups�descended from several different ancient racial stocks�that collectively have come to be called the Indian, or Indic, geographic race.

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:
Until I see Hindu�s admonish those amongst them I will continue to see Hindu�s as a threat.

So every person of Indian descent who comes for a job at your company must say to you, "By the way, I am opposed to suing McDonald's." Is this how you pretend to yourself that you aren't a racist?

[Mapraputa Is]

Where did I say that Indians are a race???
I said that "Thomas was right and you did exhibit RACIST tendencies". Nationalism (if you prefer this name) is a particular case of racism, so it is correct to call you a racist.

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:
If I do not like French people am I a racist? No, I just do not like French people. I could like Belgians, are they racially different? Are all French people the same race? Does anyone here know what a race is?

So you are claiming that you aren't a racist... you are a bigot. That must make you feel much better about yourself.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:

Originally posted by Jacob Golden:
[b]Mapraputa Is, I was unaware that Indians were a race? Could you please tell me where you get this info?

You seem to be unaware of many things.
From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:

Originally posted by Jacob Golden:
[b]Mapraputa Is, I was unaware that Indians were a race? Could you please tell me where you get this info?

You seem to be unaware of many things.
From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

The population of present-day India thus includes a number of ethnic groups�descended from several different ancient racial stocks�that collectively have come to be called the Indian, or Indic, geographic race.

[/B]

So what are Pakistani�s? Are they a SEPARATE race? Maybe you should go back and look. I can assure you that not everyone who lives in India is of the same race. I respect the try though.

[Thomas Paul]

By the way, refusing to hire someone because of their religious beliefs is a violation of federal law.

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:
If I do not like French people am I a racist? No, I just do not like French people.

Agree 100%. But if you discriminate them (during hiring process, as you did ) � then you are a racist.

[Cindy Glass]

So what are Pakistani�s?

Pakistani's are a nationality - some of whom are caucasion, some of whom are negro, and MOST of whom are Indics.
(edited to practice using the word Indic instead of Indian).
[This message has been edited by Cindy Glass (edited August 20, 2001).]

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Where did I say that Indians are a race???
I said that "Thomas was right and you did exhibit RACIST tendencies". Nationalism (if you prefer this name) is a particular case of racism, so it is correct to call you a racist.

Here you go:
na�tion�al�ism (n sh -n -l z m, n sh n -)n. 1.Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation. 2.The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals. 3.Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.
Come again!

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:

Originally posted by Jacob Golden:
]So you are claiming that you aren't a racist... you are a bigot. That must make you feel much better about yourself.

Nope. I am claiming that there are just as many good none Indian developers out there that I can get the job done without attacking my way of life that I will try to use them exclusively.
When Exxon spilled that oil in Alaska I stopped buying gas from them. So I guess I am a bigot for that too? I just do not like to do business with people who are against my goals. The goal in the McDonalds case being FREEDOM.

Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
Pakistani's are a nationality - some of whom are caucasion, some of whom are negro, and MOST of whom are Indian.

But Indians are all one race and all Indians live in India?

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
By the way, refusing to hire someone because of their religious beliefs is a violation of federal law.

Funny how that does not apply to suing? BTW, I did not refuse to hire the person. I cannot hire, fire or decide who gets hired for my company. I was asked and gave my opinion. Something that is still slightly legal in my country.

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Agree 100%. But if you discriminate them (during hiring process, as you did ) � then you are a racist.

If I discriminate against them by their RACE. If I discriminated against them by their sex I would be sexist. Get it?

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:
Nope. I am claiming that there are just as many good none Indian developers out there that I can get the job done without attacking my way of life that I will try to use them exclusively. When Exxon spilled that oil in Alaska I stopped buying gas from them. So I guess I am a bigot for that too? I just do not like to do business with people who are against my goals. The goal in the McDonalds case being FREEDOM.

And how do you know that this particular person was against "your" goals? Because he was Indian. That makes you a bigot. You expressed an opionion not because of the technical skills of this person but because he happened to be a member of an ethnic group that you don't like. Do you also refuse to hire black people because some black people want reparations for slavery?

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Jacob�Golden:
Funny how that does not apply to suing? BTW, I did not refuse to hire the person. I cannot hire, fire or decide who gets hired for my company. I was asked and gave my opinion. Something that is still slightly legal in my country.

So you told your boss that he shouldn't hire that person because some Hindis are suing McDonalds? Or did you lie to him?

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Jacob Golden:
If I discriminate against them by their RACE. If I discriminated against them by their sex I would be sexist. Get it?

Jacob, we all here are spending our time trying to figure out by WHAT you discriminated that poor guy. First you said that he was Hindu, then it turned out that you did not know if he was Hindu or not... I really cannot understand why you refuse to be called a racist. At least, they have rational explanations for their actions.
I am starting to think that it was not Thomas who felt he looked too foolish and could not take the responsibility for his own actions�

[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited August 20, 2001).]