WHY WOMEN LIKES TO SHOW THEIR FLASH UNLIKE MEN.

[Faria Pirzada]

WOMEN KNOWS THAT THEY ARE A SOURCE OF ATTRACTION. in them lies the beauty. And that, they are the objects worth seeing. For that matter she poses that way. She likes to be stared at and want to praised, always. When she dresses herself,she doesnot have the comfort in mind but how to seek the attraction from opposite sex.
The point is when women do all this they forget that they are basically corrupting the male society. The sexual crime in male society is basically of women themselves.
Look, it is a universal truth that when men watches a bad movie or goes to any striptease club or................... all these makes him to arouse.
The women's naked body is just like this , it arouses the men.
The lesser the nakedness in women society the lesser would be arousal in men's society.
DO YOU AGREE OR NOT.

[anup vachali]

if women stopped showing their "Flash" who is going to guide the male society when it gets dark mate?
u and the other joker at http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/000866.html need to form a misogynist society for disillusioned java programmers and rant abt this there.

[Andy Ceponis]

I agree. Women should wear more clothes and show less flesh. Only the ones that arent hot though.
Let the hotties of the world get MORE naked!!!

[Randall Twede]

i couldnt disagree more. i have been to nudist places before and i guarantee you the men dont go around with erections. i would venture to guess you think that men getting aroused leads to rape also. this is also false.
oh wait you already said you believe that.
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[Mapraputa Is]

The lesser the nakedness in women society the lesser would be arousal in men's society
This forum is definitely a residence of paranormal phenomena. Worse then Loch Ness. I never heard before men's complaining about naked woman

[David O'Meara]

The point is when women do all this they forget that they are basically corrupting the male society. The sexual crime in male society is basically of women themselves.

Hmm, first of all, Ack
Secondly, male society sounds like an 'ism' to me. The 'men versus women' or 'us and them' mentality.
Finally, 'The sexual crime in male society is basically of women themselves'. Why not say "I can't control myself and its the females fault", or would highlight rather than hide the problem?
I appologise if I slipped into sarcasm towards the end (and the beginning and middle), but I think I disagree with just about everything there...

Dave.
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[David O'Meara]

Thought I'd finished but apparently I haven't.
Two more points:
From a history of male dominated society, it is my understanding that much of the basis of female fashion (bras, high heeled shoes, skirts) was created and enforced by the males of the species, as with the shaving of unwanted hair (appologise if this is a Western-dominted point of view, it's the only one I have...)
Also, having come from a male dominated society, women have realised that the attraction of men is a weapon they can use to gain power. Not a perfect weapon and some use it differently than others but once again I see it as a by-product of male actions rather than something that has occurred 'unprovoked'.
Dave (again )

[Ali Hassaan]

Hi Faria
I m with u tht women shub hide their bodies.
But as i said before hows it possible tht pig starts hating @#$%,
thts all going on with ur message replies.
All bull @#$% like women undress,thy dont know tht it may possible tht their sister or their daughter can b hot 1,
and dont stop if i do somthing with ur some1..........
Faria is right ..........

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[David O'Meara]

Look, it is a universal truth that when men watches a bad movie or goes to any striptease club or................... all these makes him to arouse.

Hmm, I have a real problem with quotes like 'universal truth' etc in arguements, care to prove that statement?
Regardless, given the above how would you explain Homosexuality and gay bars? It seems the problem is arousal and not women.

The women's naked body is just like this , it arouses the men.

Since this is a Java site, I'll describe it this way: delegation of responsibility. ie this could have been stated "men get aroused at a woman's naked body". Bit hard to blame a woman for something she doesn't actually have control over. If we were talking objects, the male would have the 'becomeAroused()' operation, the female object would not have a 'causeArousal()' operation...
Dave (still)
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[Johnson Chong]

I always wonder why certain women like to strip and tease.
I don't think it's just for money alone.
It worry me still to think that some think of it as doing a job and having it done well.
Some say such women are bad to the young only.
Some say otherwise....lots of philiosophy/thoughts behind it...
But who's gonna lets the dogz out? The Baha gang !?

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Ali Hassaan:
Hi Faria
I m with u tht women shub hide their bodies.
But as i said before hows it possible tht pig starts hating shit,
thts all going on with ur message replies.
All bull shits like women undress,thy dont know tht it may possible tht their sister or their daughter can b hot 1,
and dont stop if i do somthing with ur some1..........
Faria is right ..........

This is a forum of English speaking people. Do you think you could try using some English in your next post? "b" "1" "ur" "u" are not words.

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Faria Pirzada:
The lesser the nakedness in women society the lesser would be arousal in men's society.
DO YOU AGREE OR NOT.

"Men's society"? What the hell is "men's society"? Do you mean the society of all human beings of which men and women are equal partners? Or do you mean some sick, perveted society that abuses women because they are incredibly insecure in their manhood?

[Jake the Snake]

Is the problem here that you do get aroused but you can't get any woman? Maybe we should cover them all (women) from their head to toe and then put them all somewhere in the middle east prefferably? What do you say? It sounds great? I thought so.
Jake
I am surprised that you forgot to mention that you like arranged marriages too.

[Aamir Khan]

Following is a excerpt from a lecture given by Paul Smithson, a Christian Scholar.
Immodesty has become so commonly excepted that it doesn't bother most people. Most people feel no shame if they see someone on television. or in public who is dressed immodestly, and wouldn't have any problem dressing the same way.
The Israelites were condemned by God through the prophet Jeremiah because they no longer had any shame. "Were they ashamed because of the abomination they had done? There were not ashamed, and they did not know how to blush; therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time of their punishment they shall be brought down, declares the Lord" (Jer. 8:12). Are you able to blush at that which is sinful? Do you blush at the shame of immodest dress?
Immodest dress is the type of dress that brings attention to ones body, to expose one's nakedness either by thin, tight, or revealing clothing. Immodest dress has always been sinful in the sight of God. When Adam and Eve's eyes were opened to sin and shame they realized their nakedness and made for themselves aprons of fig leaves and covered their loins and hid from God. But those little aprons they made for themselves, which probably covered up more than many popular swimsuits of today, were not enough to satisfy God; for we are told, "The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them (Gen. 3:7-21). With what they had on, God did not consider them to be clothed. What they were wearing was shameful and they had reason to hide. Many today could learn a lesson from Adam and Eve and clothe themselves, covering their nakedness and shame.
Styles of clothes are not specified in God's Word. We don't have to wear tunics and turbans today-- styles change and they are different from nation to nation, age to age, and even person to person. Each person can enjoy different styles of dress as long as they do not violate the principle of God's word.
However, just because something is "in style" doesn't mean that it is modest. Just because it is hot outside, or because one may be involved in a certain activity doesn't change God's principles and standards. The standards of God never goes out of style-- "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away" (Mat.24:35). And the Scriptures declare in 1Tim. 2:9, "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly..."(These principles also apply to men as well).
If you ever have any trouble choosing proper clothing to wear in public just ask yourself, "Would I want to be wearing this if the Lord returned? Would I want to be wearing this as I stood before God in judgment?" Knowing that nakedness is shameful and immodesty is sinful, you should be able to dress in a manner pleasing to God regardless of the activity in which you will be involved, or what the temperature is.

[Aamir Khan]

And now an excerpt from a sermon by a Muslim Scholar Sherif Muhammad.
The Qur'an is quite clear that the veil is an essential part of a recipe designed for the purposes of modesty, but why modesty? The Qur'an is still clear:

"O prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested. (Qur'an 33:59)

This is the whole point, modesty is prescribed to protect women from molestation or simply, modesty is protection. Thus, the only purpose of the veil in Islam is protection. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil of the Christian tradition, is not a sign of man's authority over woman nor is it a sign of woman's subjection to man. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil in the Jewish tradition, is not a sign of luxury and distinction of some noble married women. The Islamic veil is only a sign of modesty with the sole purpose of protecting women, all women. The Islamic philosophy is that it is always better safe than sorry. In fact, the Qur'an is so concerned with protecting women's bodies and women's reputation that a man who dares to falsely accuse a woman of unchastity will be severely punished:

"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations) Flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors. (Qur'an 24:4)
Some people, especially in the West, would tend to ridicule the whole argument of modesty for protection. Their argument is that the best protection is the spread of education, civilized behaviour, and self restraint. We would say: "Fine, but not enough". If the so-called "civilization" is enough protection, then why is it that women in some parts of North America dare not walk alone in a dark street or even across an empty parking lot? If education is the solution, then why is it that many respected universities the United States and Europe have "Walk Home Services" for female students on campus? If self restraint is the answer, then why are cases of sexual harassment in the workplace on the news media every day? A sample of those accused of sexual harassment, in the last few years, includes: Naval officers, managers, university professors, Senators, Supreme Court Justices and the President of the United States! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the following statistics, written in a pamphlet issued by the Dean of Women's office at Queen's University:

* In Canada, a woman is sexually assaulted every 6 minutes;
* 1 in 3 women in Canada will be sexually assaulted at some time in their lives;
* 1 in 4 women are at the risk of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime;
* 1 in 8 women will be sexually assaulted while attending college or university; and
* A study found 60% of Canadian university-aged males said they would commit sexual assault if they were certain they wouldn't get caught!!!

Something is fundamentally wrong in the society we live in. A radical change in the society's life style and culture is absolutely necessary. A culture of modesty is badly needed, modesty in dress, in speech, and in manners of both men and women. Otherwise, the grim statistics will grow even worse day after day and , unfortunately, women alone will be paying the price. Therefore, a society like France which expels young women from schools because of their modest dress is, in the end, simply harming itself.

[Mapraputa Is]

If our nakedness is so disgustful for God, why did He make us to be born naked?

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Aamir Khan:
unfortunately, women alone will be paying the price.

That's not fair. We should think how we can revenge...

[Siraj Abbasi]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
If our nakedness is so disgustful for God, why did He make us to be born naked?

I have a question , Why being naked is not legal?

[Aamir Khan]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
If our nakedness is so disgustful for God, why did He make us to be born naked?

A kid is also born , very weak, with little senses and very dirty , but don't remain like that all his life .

[Pranav Jaidka]

Originally posted by Faria Pirzada:
WOMEN KNOWS THAT THEY ARE A SOURCE OF ATTRACTION.
so are men ..for women !!! But men dont get Raped !!! Or do they???
The sexual crime in male society is basically of women themselves.
..ha ha ha..Buddy if it is a 'sexual' crime i would rather kill for a woman than a man...

Look, it is a universal truth that when men watches a bad movie or goes to any striptease club or................... all these makes him to arouse.


Thats true for me too....dont disagree with it ..but so far no crimes committed.Maybe Im not normal ........

The women's naked body is just like this , it arouses the men.
The lesser the nakedness in women society the lesser would be arousal in men's society.
DO YOU AGREE OR NOT.

No i dont agree ...this is not true .NO NO NO NO...then men would be desperate and frustrations would build ...i like the women as they are....

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Siraj Abbasi:
I have a question , Why being naked is not legal?

In some societies it is perfectly legal. "Nakedness is evil" is human convention, nothing more. Doctors, for example, can see us naked and nothing terrible happens. I assumed that God (betters would be say Gods, since there are so many of them) can somehow endure our nakedness and can judge us based on more substantial things.

Originally posted by Aamir Khan:
A kid is also born , very weak, with little senses and very dirty , but don't remain like that all his life .

I can only hope that God doesn't hate a kid for being weak, silly and sometimes... oh well... dirty

[Aamir Khan]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I can only hope that God doesn't hate a kid for being weak, silly and sometimes... oh well... dirty

God does not hate peaple, He loves them , He just advice them to live in this world with modesty, do good deeds and don't do bad.
A mother can not started hating her kid , if he don't do homework, she would , however, try to make him understand that what is good for him.
God loves his peaple a lot more than a mother does her kids.

[Pranav Jaidka]

Originally posted by Aamir Khan:
God does not hate peaple, He loves them , He just advice them to live in this world with modesty, do good deeds and don't do bad.
A mother can not started hating her kid , if he don't do homework, she would , however, try to make him understand that what is good for him.
God loves his peaple a lot more than a mother does her kids.

Why would god make women the way they are ??? and if he did make women and men the way they are ....what is the reason this thread is open.

[Sahir Shibley]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
That's not fair. We should think how we can revenge...

Planning to rape someone Map ?

[Johnson Chong]

Originally posted by Faria Pirzada:

The women's naked body is just like this , it arouses the men.
The lesser the nakedness in women society the lesser would be arousal in men's society.
DO YOU AGREE OR NOT.

[/B]
What I say is try getting aroused with a threatening, pistol welding naked sexy woman who is ready to kick your groin hard.

[Randall Twede]

Aamir,
yes there are violent crimes committed in the west against women. but the majority are abhorred by this. men and women both.
At least here is is not an accepted practice to burn your daughters if you cant sell them for enough money

[Aamir Khan]

Originally posted by Pranav Jaidka:
Why would god make women the way they are ??? and if he did make women and men the way they are ....what is the reason this thread is open.

God made men and women the way they are and told them the rules ,how to live in this world. Both have to mind their limits.
Men and women are not equal, both have their own indiviuality.Neither men are superior to women nor women are better than men.Both are different .
They have their own responsibilities and indiviualities.I am not talking about exceptional cases , but usually a man can never gives as much love and care to his kids as a women can,,on the other hand women can not do as much heavy physical work as a men can.
Women usually expect/deserve more respect from men than men expect from women.
Mother is a women and is the most respected relation in the world.
If one rule of modesty applies to men ,the same rule can not apply to women and vice versa.
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[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Sahir Shibley:
Planning to rape someone Map ?

Not really planning, just thinking how it could be achieved... Cannot see any easy way There must be some workarounds...

[Johnson Chong]

Originally posted by Randall Twede:
Aamir,
yes there are violent crimes committed in the west against women. but the majority are abhorred by this. men and women both.
At least here is is not an accepted practice to burn your daughters if you cant sell them for enough money

To those who do, look, I know that money is hard to come by. But once you overcome the learning curve, you can earn in as much money as you like for the will power is very strong and Loving is strong.....who got the strength to carry on......(Sheena Easton)

[Johnson Chong]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Not really planning, just thinking how it could be achieved... Cannot see any easy way There must be some workarounds...

Why r u also virtually getting interested in such things too and everything as your profile says? Expanding your minds perhaps?

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Siraj Abbasi:
I have a question , Why being naked is not legal?

In NYC it is legal.
I should also add that in many parts of the world women go to the beaches topless. Apparently men are able to control themselves.
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[Randall Twede]

Map,
you can rape me i wont mind. ill even pretend to stuggle if you want

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Johnson Chong:
Why r u also virtually getting interested in such things too and everything as your profile says? Expanding your minds perhaps?

That's a good question. Now I am really interested why I am interested in such things... Should think about it...

[Mapraputa Is]

Originally posted by Randall Twede:
Map,
you can rape me i wont mind. ill even pretend to stuggle if you want

Faria, you see what a disaster you brought with your post?

[Johnson Chong]

Originally posted by Randall Twede:
Map,
you can rape me i wont mind. ill even pretend to stuggle if you want

Ya, me too, you will have no regrets afterwards, neither will you feel empty, coz am imp*tent.

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[Mapraputa Is]

The Islamic veil is only a sign of modesty with the sole purpose of protecting women, all women. The Islamic philosophy is that it is always better safe than sorry.
If what you said is true (I guess some Islam followers may object) and Islam does impose "predator-victim" model on men-women relationships, then it's a very bad thing. To instil into all men that they all are potential rapists??? What kind of religion is this?

[Randall Twede]

Map,
Islam does have its good points too though. I read about it once and agreed with a lot of their more basic ideas. I think aamirs statement is more cultural than religious. Islam is an established religon all around the world and not all those cultures share that idea.

[Rosie Vogel]

All this talk about women's flesh. What about men's flesh, huh? During the summer months, I see plenty of construction workers running around half naked. If everybody's okay with that, I don't want to hear anything about my miniskirt either.

[Cindy Glass]

mis-quoted from Faria Pirzada:
MEN KNOWS THAT THEY ARE A SOURCE OF ATTRACTION. in them lies the power and strength. And that, they are the objects worth looking to for protection. For that matter he poses that way. He likes to be seen as strong and able to provide well and wants to praised, always. When he shows how strong and capable he is,he does not have the comfort in mind but how to seek the attraction from opposite sex.
The point is when men do all this they forget that they are basically corrupting the female society. The sexual dress in female society is basically because of men themselves.
Look, it is a universal truth that when women watch a powerful, rich, strong man or sees a man that is obviously able to protect and provide for her and her offspring or................... all these makes her want to arouse.
The men's powerful appearance is just like this , it arouses the women.
The lesser the power and wealth (to provide for her) in men society the lesser would be arousal in women's society.
DO YOU AGREE OR NOT.

[Mapraputa Is]

Cindy, I agreeeeeee... ...