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Profile of a hijacker?

 
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Drinking? girlfriends? does this seems like a profile of "Muslim Extremist" ? or a follower of supposedly devout Muslim Bin Laden? If anyone of you knows a moderate or devout Muslim, you would know that such things are taboo, especially for someone who is willing to give his life out of religious convictions.
Hijack Suspect Studied Aircraft
By DAVID RISING
.c The Associated Press

HAMBURG, Germany (AP) - More information has emerged in Germany about two of the suspected hijackers in the terrorist attacks on the United States.....
...Jarrah, a Lebanese national, was reported missing by his girlfriend, who was placed under witness protection. German federal investigators say they found a suitcase containing ``airplane-related documents'' in the girlfriend's apartment in Bochum....
...Atta and Al-Shehhi were students another school in Hamburg, the Technical University. All three left Germany last year to take flight lessons in the United States, investigators say. It is believed that they later returned to Hamburg.
..In Lebanon, Jarrah's uncle, Jamal, says his nephew was a secular-minded student who drank alcohol, which is forbidden by Islam....
AP-NY-09-17-01 1831EDT

 
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I wasn't aware that Moslems weren't allowed to have girlfriends. Are they required to become homosexuals? It is also a generally accepted concept that the most virulent believers of any faith are converts. Apparently quite a few people were secular but then became enraptured by militant Islam. I am reminded of the followers of Jim Jones who committed mass suicide in Guyana.
 
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Islam forbids extra-marital relations. It encourages marriage. It forbids intoxicating substances such as alcohol.
Imagine a follower willing to pay the ultimate price, i.e. give his life, for a "religous cause", yet he can't do a simple thing such as give up alcohol or get married according to the tenats of his religion.
Does not make sense. There is more to this than an open and shut case.

 
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Do you mean to say that all the arab shieks who keep harems are not true followers? Why don't the so called "true" believers clean up their own backyards rather than trying to impose their religion on others?
In all the rich islamic countries Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE etc. the Skieks do all that is prohibited by Islam. Why aren't the "true" believer bombing them?
 
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Because they have been "spoiled" by the western civilization.
 
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I know many Arabs come to Hyderabad (India) to marry innocent poor muslim family girls for just one month or so and leave them back in India giving 'THALAK' to them.
Govt. arrested some of the girls parents and came to know that they given their doughter to Arabs for money. One of such muslim girl said her parents forcibly performed marriage with Arabs more than four times for money.
Many muslims never follow birth control and they give birth to too many children and can not provide them good education or food. Thats why many of them turning towards mafia in Bombay.
 
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Originally posted by zulfiqar raza:
Imagine a follower willing to pay the ultimate price, i.e. give his life, for a "religous cause", yet he can't do a simple thing such as give up alcohol or get married according to the tenats of his religion.
Does not make sense. There is more to this than an open and shut case.


If you know you are going to kill yourself why would you get married? Besides, if bin laden told them it was OK then I assume that they would believe it since Islam also teaches that murder is wrong and yet they had no trouble doing that.
 
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They are all a bunch of hypocrites. Osama Bin Laden himself has 4 wives and 50 children (including children from mistresses). What kind of muslim is he?
 
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Originally posted by Prasad Charasala:
poor muslim family girls for just one month or so and leave them back in India giving 'THALAK' to them.
Govt. arrested some of the girls parents and came to know that they given their doughter to Arabs for money. One of such muslim girl said her parents forcibly performed marriage with Arabs more than four times for money.


First it was interesting to read your lies about Sikhs keeping long hair. Now you are trying hard to give a religious dimension to something that is common in India. Why don't you read the story below taken from an Indian newspaper telling of Hindus selling their kids. In fact according to similar Indian news sources slavery is quite commonly practiced in India in the guise of fake adoptions.
from : http://www.hindustantimes.com
Nation�s shame: Starving Orissa family sells children
Anand S.T. Das
(Raipur, September 22)
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Nothing in the world had prepared me for this. I had gone to Badagamada in Balangir as a curious journalist, but I came back as the owner of two children. Yes, reprehensible as the word is, owner. For, a starving Oriya family had begged me to buy Paree, 4, and his two-year-old sister Jemati so that the two children also wouldn't die of hunger.
Life is cheap in Orissa. For both children I paid Rs 1,100 and 15 kg rice � after some bargaining though � which would help the starving family hold out for a few days more.
On September 10, I had gone to Badagamada to find out what had happened to the three orphans of a tribal widow, Premshila Bhoi, who had allegedly died of starvation in December.
I couldn't believe my ears when the orphans' uncle requested me to take two of the three children with me. Dambaru, Premshila's brother-in-law pointed towards the two emaciated little toddlers. As I took in Dambaru's words, his wife Gangabali and some villagers urged me to take the children.
Paree sat outside the home of his uncle and aunt, leaning against the wall and staring vacantly at the people who had gathered there. Near him sat Jemati.
"We are unable to feed these two children as we do not have enough food for ourselves and our own children," said Dambaru. "Premshila's eldest son Hrudananda, however, is old enough to care for himself," he said. Hrudananda is just 10.
"Will you sell me your nephew Paree?" I asked Dambaru, who tends the three goats given to him at a 50 per cent discount by an NGO and works as a daily-wage labourer. His wife and two young children also work to supplement his income. His half-acre plot yields one paddy crop a year � enough to feed his family of seven for one whole month.
My offer to buy Paree evoked a quick reply from Gangabali: "Please take both because Jemati will die without Paree's company."
"Taking one will neither solve our problem nor can it change the fate of these two helpless children," said a relative. An old woman started crying: "Their parents died as no help came from the Government."
Paree's uncle and aunt would talk about money only after I promised to buy both children. I assured them that I would take away Paree first and come back for Jemati.
Dambaru and the villagers asked me to purchase coconuts for the puja. I had to fork out Rs 500 to the priest. Then I was asked to pay Rs 1,500 as a "parting gift" (bidakhi) before taking Paree with me. However, we settled at Rs 600.
As Dambaru handed Paree to me, the womenfolk started crying, begging me to feed the child well and to come again to take the other child. "When you return, bring 15 kilos of rice for the family," requested an old woman.
As we got into the taxi, I asked Paree: "Do you feel like going back home?" "Naahin" ("No"), he said smiling.
On September 14, I returned to Badagamada. I had come with the rice, which I gave to Dambaru. I had bought some new clothes for Jemati, which her relatives made her wear. I told the villagers who had gathered near Dambaru's house that Paree was being taken care of at my house in Raipur.
The villagers set Rs 1,500 as Jemati's price. I bargained once again, saying that Jemati wasn't a boy. They sold me the child for Rs 500.
As we drove towards Raipur I saw a faint smile on Jemati's face. Perhaps it was in anticipation of meeting Paree. Or was it the promise of regular meals?
 
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Nice story. Atleast the parents cared for their children's wellbeing - hoping that by being sold, the children could atleast get regular meals. And be glad that they didn't choose the defeatist route - mass suicide of the whole family.
There are problems in all developing countries, often worse in Pakistan. Read this:
The Plight of the Girl-Child in Pakistan.
And we all know about how women are abused and ill-treated in Pakistan: Pakistan: Violence Against Women in the Name of "Honor".

[This message has been edited by Nanhesru Ningyake (edited September 23, 2001).]
 
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Originally posted by Nanhesru Ningyake:
Nice story. .


There is nothing nice about a story on Hindu parents selling their children. Or the fact that in India slavery is common and takes the form of fake adoptoins. I am surprised you find it nice.
I was simply trying to point out that the Indian trying to capitalize on the tragic situation in New York. The fact that such acts are the result of poverty, not limited to any one race, religion or nationality.
Thanks for your link, I went to the site: Look what I found:
http://www.amnesty-usa.org/women/
Women in India Suffer
Violence and Discrimination
Authorities in India are failing to prevent violence against women and sometimes take an .......


[This message has been edited by zulfiqar raza (edited September 23, 2001).]
 
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>There is nothing nice about a story on Hindu parents selling their children
I called this nice because I would rather see the children being sold, than see them die of hunger. The issue here is whether it is genuine poverty or just plain greed that drives people to sell their children. The parents in the story you quoted seem to truly poor; surely it would be heartbreaking for them to let go of their children - but still they did it hoping the child would have a better future, or atleast some food to eat...
>The fact that such acts are the result of poverty, not limited to any one race, religion or nationality
I agree; except that I'd amend that to poverty or greed.

[This message has been edited by Nanhesru Ningyake (edited September 23, 2001).]
 
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world has seen that :
Q:If Islam and Pakistan combined togather , what they can make ?
Answer : Afghanistan . ( worst country in the world) , thats what Islam and pakistan can make.

[This message has been edited by wasim anwar (edited September 24, 2001).]
 
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this question is to all the islamic defenders who says that "only few muslims are bad so you can not blame entire islamic society" , then can you answer this ,
- there are maximum number of terrorists in the whole world are ISLAMIC terrorists , proof of these are.
* USA is suffering by ISLAMIC terrors ,
* INDIA is suffering by ISLAMIC terrors ,
* RUSSIA is suffering by ISLAMIC terrors ,
* ISRAEAL is suffering by ISLAMIC terrors ,
* AFRICAN countries like ALGERIA is having number of
ISLAMIC terrorist centers ,
* SOUTH PACIFIC ASIAN countries also have ISLAMIC movment troubles.
and list goes on , now there are number of other relegion in this
world , like
* Christians , Jeus , Hindus , Baudhisam and list goes on and on.
CAN YOU NAME ANY PART OF THE WORLD WHICH IS HAVING TROUBLE BY
- Christians or Jeus or Hindus or Baudhists
CAN YOU NAME ANY TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WHICH KILLS PEOPLE AS
BRUTELY AS ISLAMIC ORGANIZATIONS AND WHICH BELONGS TO,
- Christians or Jeus or Hindus or Baudhists.
I AM SURE you have to accept that ISLAMIC ORGANIZATIONS are the ROOT of the terror
which is being spreaded around the world , why other relegions
are not like this who ,
* train little kids (who should be studying is schools) for wars
and how to fire guns and kill people , from their childhood they
are told that they have to fight to save ISLAM.(IF anyone can get access to BIN LADEN video cd , in that you can see little children being trained to fire guns on targets , on those targets they write USA and INDIA)
* ask for money from people to prepare your evil forces of terrorists
to do things like WTC tragedy ,
* In the parts like kashmir(India) ISLAMIC terrorists everyday kill
average 30 people , they ask men and women and little children that
'are you hindu or muslim' and then if they are not ISLAMIC they
kill them
i am again asking that why other relegion are not like this and only
ISLAM ??? can anybody tell???
 
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by giving your baseless and lame excuses to defend islamic brutel
activities you cant hide the truth , you think that you put your hands
in front of your eyes and say everybody that "look sun is hidden".
nither russia nor india or any other country is killing inoccent people , its just something in isalmic organization that they call "Jehad" and with the name of the jehad they keep on killing people ,
they just find any reasons to do that as they are spinless and mindless
islamic organizations. you gave your excuses and tried to defend
isalmic terrorists , you gave baseless and 110% false reasons for
russia,india and israel but how do you defend your evil forces for
attacks on USA??
I can give you billions examples where USA has helped number of
countries in the world , list would be very long , but i know that
for that also you will find your baseless excuses .
you must be knowing that is islamic countries there is nothing like
family planning , a man can merry 3 to 4 wives at a time and they
use women as CHILDREN PRODUCING MACHINES to produce unbelieveable number of children in a single family.the reason for this they
give is "produce as many number of children as you can during your
life to strenghthen the force of islam to fight against other
relegions .(these is the other example of baseless excuses).
no matter how mighty they create the force of devil , they must
be knowing who always wins.you can give few examples of only some individuales(terrorists) from other relegions , but not like mass number of giant ISLAMIC organization where they brainwash and train persons from their childhood to kill people of other relegions.

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Ray, if you're not even bothering to put any new thoughts into your posts, why should we? Both these posts are recycled from a week ago, here and here. I suggest that anyone who wants to recycle this particular branch of the conversation can respond in those threads - no need to repeat the process here.

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Zulfikar, You are overlooking a very important issue here. What ever misdeeds are happening in India or in Pakistan (or in amy other place in the world), they are not good. They are definitely bad.
The point that we are talking about is the cause of these misdeeds. In India, the cause is poverty. In Pakistan, the cause is religion or should I say "misunderstood" or "blind" faith in religion.
There is a cure for poverty and that is happening in India. Lot of social diseases like cast system etc. are now slowly loosing the roots. The people are understanding this and they are improving. In Pakistan that is not happening. Even educated people blindly believe in mullahs and do all sort of illogical things in the name of religion. This has no cure because it's sanctioned by the "percieved" religion.
Other things likes "Honour Killing of women" in accepted in your society. The police does not even bother because that's what anybody would do in such a case.
You don't want to accept this but you'll not find any other country which is so open to ideas, open to religions, which open to people as people. Can you not see that Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, took birth in India? And in fact, all of these religion were started in Hindu heartland. Can you even imagine any other religion can sprout up in Pakistan???
Yes, new religions were born in other parts of the world too. ( My reference is to Mid east) But does it not mean anything that none of originators of Indian religions were crusified??? Do you not see the property of acceptance of Indian society?
Educated muslims in India today are much more free to "think". In pakistan even thinking and brainstorming about any thing that "might" go against the religion, is crushed. Society as a whole is simply not tolerant.
For any country to progress, it is very important to let the system evolve on it's own, without tampering. I know there is a lot of trouble in India too. But, it has the raw meterial. Indian society has that mind set which is needed to progress. And I am sure it will progress without any comparison to Pakistan because paks. society is closed only all except one direction which is religion. Religion in itself is not a limit as is proved by the fact that there are a lot of muslims doing great stuff all over the world, but unfortunately Pakistan (and othre "true" islamic countries also) has made it, it's limit. It cannot think beyond that.
I know it will be very tough for you to accept that. Anyway, time will only prove it to you.
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
... if you're not even bothering to put any new thoughts into your posts, why should we?


For unknown reasons some people think that if one repeats a false allegation enough times it becames true .
 
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