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Hi friends,
Well, it's about 12 days has gone and US' FBI is still finding the "Actual Man" behind the attack on US.
Just have a recap,the day the US has attacked,President Bush said that US will find the responsible(s) and will give them punishment.After couple of days he said Osama is the prime suspect behind the US attack.And almost after a week he said that US will probably attack on Afghanistan to arrest Osama.Even US has started sending it's Bomber planes in Mideast.This reflects that US is prepared to attack Afhganistan.Albiet US has NO evidence that Osama is involved behind these evils.
But the crux of matter is that,US is still finding the "Actual Person"!!.
And only on the basis of "suspect" US is targeting Afghanistan.
Can i ask that why US is attacking Afghanistan only on basis of suspect.
Does the character of US reflects that,US is trying to make the concentration of it's nation on Afghanistan & forgeting the real hands behind that act.So that is makes it's nation happy that the "Actual peoples" are caught and we have taken our revenge??
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Hassan.
NOTE:- I have a great sympathy with the innocent peoples died in New York,Pentagon,Pensylvania,Bosnia and still dying in Palestine and in Kashmir!!
Great scholars said:
"Murder of one innocent people is equal to murder of one nation"
 
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who else do you think is behind the attacks? bin laden and his terrorist cells have been threatening to attack us for the last several years, and they actually have on several occassions.
i was in the US Navy from 1994 - 1998. i went to the middle-east twice, and my group of ships (3) was threatened specifically by bin laden 3 seperate times in 3 different countries (Jordan, Djibouti and Yemen). we did not go to Yemen that time, but the USS Cole did... they were bombed.
i think people should be glad that we (the US) are taking our time to make sure we have enough evidence to point the finger directly at bin laden before we bring him to justice.
also, do not believe half of what you read or hear in the news... the current administration is using (very effectively) a military tactic called "OPSEC" or operation security. they are not giving out details because the media would spread them and jeopardize the mission. in fact, they are probably using another tactic called "Propoganda Warfare," which includes purposefully giving the media FALSE information so the opposition will not know what is going on. someone from the Pentagon eluded to this tactic in an interview about the supposed "downed-aircraft" in Afghanistan.
 
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Check this out:
No Connection Found Between 'Cell' Members and 19 Hijackers, Officials Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10846-2001Sep22.html
By Bob Woodward and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 23, 2001; Page A01
Four to five al Qaeda groups have operated in the United States for the last several years, but investigators have not yet found any connection between them and any of the 19 hijackers responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks, according to government officials............
 
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Check this out:
No Connection Found Between 'Cell' Members and 19 Hijackers, Officials Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10846-2001Sep22.html
By Bob Woodward and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 23, 2001; Page A01
Four to five al Qaeda groups have operated in the United States for the last several years, but investigators have not yet found any connection between them and any of the 19 hijackers responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks, according to government officials............
 
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Originally posted by Greg Harris:
who else do you think is behind the attacks? bin laden and his terrorist cells have been threatening to attack us for the last several years, and they actually have on several occassions.


Um, hate to appear to be supporting terrorists cos I'm not, but there's this thing Americans are usually fond of called "Innocent until proven guilty".
If you're ever pulled up in front a court, I hope you don't get convicted because the prosecution asks "who else do you think is behind the ...?"
There must be punishment for the guilty parties (and once again I'd state there's a difference between punishment and retribution) but make sure they're guilty first or you end up looking the same...
 
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i am fully aware of "innocent until proven guilty"... but bin laden has already been linked to crimes in the past (Kobar Towers, Kenya...) and we are slowly connecting his groups to this one. we have already tied one of the terrorists to a group that was responsible for the USS Cole bombing... so we are just 1 step away from connectin bin laden.
however, bin laden is not our primary focus. terrorism is. he is obvioulsy one of the primary suspects, so while we are at it, we might as well shutdown his operation.
 
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Bush said that this was a "war against terrorism". Not just a war against whoever was behind the WTC attack. The point is that ALL terrorism is bad. And all terrorism needs to be stopped. Just like we fight the actions of the Mafia internationally.
Is someone doubting that bin Laden is a terrorist? If he is a terrorist then this war is against him. Is someone doubting that the Taliban actively supports terrorism? If they do, then this war is against them.
Just getting the ONE person that heads the group that ordered this particular attack would be a waste of time and effort.
 
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Problem is the CIA and FBI don't really know how many cells there are or where they're located. It's very possible the individual cells have limited knowledge of each other. There does not necessarily have to be a connection between them. The hijackers could have belonged to 4 or 5 cells that were only connected to each other.
Personally, I think the best way to track them down is to "follow the money" ... they're getting it from somewhere. Money always leaves a trail; no matter how you try to cover it up.
 
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I might add that bin Laden has already been convicted in US courts for terrorist activities.
 
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Originally posted by Jane Griscti:
Problem is the CIA and FBI don't really know how many cells there are or where they're located. It's very possible the individual cells have limited knowledge of each other. There does not necessarily have to be a connection between them. The hijackers could have belonged to 4 or 5 cells that were only connected to each other.


Jane: Just read something relevant to your comments in New York times.. here is the link and the excerpts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/25/national/25INQU.html?ex=1002600000&en=b0031169a2d17c09&ei=5004&partner=NETZERO
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While some reports have suggested that there were other terrorist cells in the United States and even failed plots to hijack other airplanes on Sept. 11, the official said that the arrests of hundreds of people and interviews with thousands of others have produced little hard evidence to support either suspicion.
"Thus far we cannot connect any of those people that we're looking at to any of those 19" men who were identified as the hijackers, the official said
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While not ruling out future discoveries, the authorities are saying that, to date, they have not found evidence of organized groups linked to Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization, Al Qaeda, .......
 
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"While not ruling out future discoveries, the authorities are saying that, to date, they have not found evidence of organized groups linked to Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization, Al Qaeda, ......."
You are right Osama had nothing to do with this. How could we be so blind. You found 1 scrap and now have changed my mind. Wow how could I not have seen before. I bet there is someone in the world willing to say he wasn't behind the Cole, the US Embassies ... Then you can provide a link to that too and then change my mind then. I now have to believe you that India is a terrorist state as well. All of you should be ashamed.
 
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Nice editing job, zulfiqar.
What the article actually says is that no evidence has been found linking the 19 hijackers to any groups currently operating in the US. Here is the heart of the article:


While not ruling out future discoveries, the authorities are saying that to date they have not found evidence of organized groups linked to Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization, Al Qaeda, still operating in the United States, or any direct evidence that the 19 men identified as the hijackers who crashed airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were associated with other groups planning future attacks.


But the article does go on to say that links between the hijackers and Osama bin Laden cells in Germany have been found. This is good news for the US because apparently bin Laden was not able to set up a vast terrorist organization within the USA.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Nice editing job, zulfiqar.
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But the article does go on to say that links between the hijackers and Osama bin Laden cells in Germany have been found. This is good news for the US because apparently bin Laden was not able to set up a vast terrorist organization within the USA.



Thomas Paul, Where does the article say that? please provide the excerpt from the said article.
My posting was a direct reply to Jane Griscti's suggestion that there may be other Cells in the United States, that might be tied to Binladen's network. If you look at the entire story that I took from New York Times, it shows otherwise.
While the original Washington Post story that I posted actually suggested that they were not able to find a connection between the existings the 'Cell's and hijackers. See : "No Connection Found Between 'Cell' Members and 19 Hijackers, Officials Say". the article that I posted eariler in this thread.


[This message has been edited by zulfiqar raza (edited September 25, 2001).]
 
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if you read my post above, you might understand that our government is not telling everything it knows... a big reason for that is because we do not want to compramise our "sources" and "collections" proceedures.
they (the CIA, NSA...) are going to release and unclassified document later this week to other countries and to the public... this document is going to present the evidence that bin laden is connected to this latest attack.

-- The United States will offer evidence accumulated against its chief terrorist suspect, Osama bin Laden, at a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels, Belgium on Thursday.


-CNN
 
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Originally posted by zulfiqar raza:
My posting was a direct reply to Jane Griscti's suggestion that there may be other Cells in the United States, that might be tied to Binladen's network. If you look at the entire story that I took from New York Times, it shows otherwise

Jane said nothing about cells in the USA!
This is what Jane said: "Problem is the CIA and FBI don't really know how many cells there are or where they're located."

[This message has been edited by Thomas Paul (edited September 25, 2001).]
 
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He provided a link he must be right
AND THE WORLD IS FLAT
 
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This is really interesting .... read it at Dawn's website ....
http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/26/int15.htm
Hi All,
Cindy said,


Bush said that this was a "war against terrorism". Not just a war against whoever was behind the WTC attack.


My question is that Why Bush is realizing that now it's time to start the war against terrorism should start?.Why not before sept.11.2001?.
Does there is no terrorism before sept.11.2001 is going in all over the world?.


Regards,
Hassan.
NOTE:- I have a great sympathy with the innocent peoples died in New York,Pentagon,Pensylvania,Bosnia and still dying in Palestine and in Kashmir!!
Great scholars said:
"Murder of one innocent people is equal to murder of one nation"
 
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Hassan,
Just what would you have the US do in other locations? It is easy for you to say we should do something but what? When something happens in the world do we decide on out own and take action? Do we wait on the UN (and hope that all parties agree)? Who decides what to do and to whom?

You also forgot to mention Isreal and Pakistan. You see the two you mentioned have another side. Should the US just decide what side to take and jump in?
 
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My question is that Why Bush is realizing that now it's time to start the war against terrorism should start?.Why not before sept.11.2001?.
Does there is no terrorism before sept.11.2001 is going in all over the world?.


don't forget that President Bush just took office 8 months ago. this is the first terrorist attack against Americans since then. i think he is doing a great job!
our last president had 3 or 4 attacks to retalliate against during his 8 years in office, but nothing happened... blame him if you want to... but do not blame Bush.
 
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Just what would you have the US do in other locations?

Well, now US has ALL to do with every country if it not participate with US.


don't forget that President Bush just took office 8 months ago


This seems as lame excuse
Regards,
Hassan
NOTE:NOTE:- I have a great sympathy with the innocent peoples died in New York,Pentagon,Pensylvania,Bosnia and still dying in Palestine and in Kashmir!!
Great scholars said:
"Murder of one innocent people is equal to murder of one nation"

 
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Hassan, I presume you're just trying to stir up a hornet's nest here rather than evoke any real issues. But if you're actually naive enough to ask why the U.S.'s position as reported by the media every day isn't coherent and consistent, here's an answer: who would be stupid enough, in a situation like this, to say exactly what they're thinking?
Certainly not the Taliban! They don't know where bin Laden is, they couldn't release him if they wanted to, they have him under control, America is gutless, they're willing to talk....blah blah blah blah blah. And certainly not the U.S. The biggest mistake that will ever be made in this conflict is one side convincing itself it is smarter than the other.
A war of rhetoric has its own rhythms, and sincerity is not one of them. To add to the matter, the media often gets things wrong in hastening to report them. Good luck holding the US Government accountable for everything you've read or heard.
I'm sure supporters of these attacks are greatly amused by the cleverness that inspired them: 4 airliners, thousands of people, billions of dollars of damage, all done at a low cost: a few replaceable zealots, who, to add even more irony, were largely trained here. In the struggle over hearts and minds, there's no questioning the magnitude of what these terrorists have achieved for their cause.
That aside, Hassan, the ignorance behind your rhetoric is a little surprising. You don't think the U.S. understands terrorism? Dude, open your eyes: whole *countries* make their living bringing drugs here. Our own people bomb and shoot us, or haven't your heard of Ted Kascyzinksi (sp?), or Timothy McVeigh, or Columbine High School? We practically invented serial killing, not to mention the books and television shows that depict it. Wake up, for Pete's sake! Chaos is not only not new here, it's big business!
If bin Laden is hoping for a toe-to-toe fight with the U.S., he might as well pack a lunch. The U.S. is not a few thousand people living in caves, sniping innocents and killing themselves because a convict told them they would go to Heaven. Neither is it 300 million teary-eyed lambs paralyzed over what's happened in the last few weeks. It's a leader of world opinion, a military superpower, a financial giant, and a consensus-builder. When we move, whole continents move with us. Stay tuned for that,
The one thing you'll most likely hate about the U.S. response is how boring it's going to be. We won't be blowing up any major buildings, poisoning water supplies, or dragging Afghani soldiers through village streets. That crap is small-time. Just ask people in Irag what it's like when there's nothing left to eat. Ask them how they feel having to choke down the request for food, knowing full well who they'd have to ask for it. That's when you know the U.S. has made its visit.
[This message has been edited by Michael Ernest (edited October 01, 2001).]
 
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you are right Michael , when i see some afghanistanis and pakistani people on tv saying that we will blast america,we will destroy america , they really make me laugh some time, they do not seem to know that country who can send MEN on the MOON thirty years back , what can that country do now to them? , they are the people who are living 100 years behind with their so called islam and jihad.
 
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too much Movie...too much Movie pal !
 
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Well, dear i am not going in details....!.My question is staright forword.Every one get the latest news from media.Except those who have there relatives in FBI,CIA etc(very few)....So we have to hear what the media is saying!!
ray bond said,


country who can send MEN on the MOON thirty years back , what can that country do now to them?


Very kiddy statement!!.I want to add little in your statement(if it is not copyright )

country who can send MEN on the MOON thirty years back , can't save them self from terrorits attacks.

My friends,i am not trying to insult u peoples or US.I am asking the simple straight forword question.I know that Accepting mistake is one of the hardest task!! But we have to do this,when there is no way to run.And offcourse it's really a good thing to be added in our nature.
Regards,
Hassan
Michael said,


I'm sure supporters of these attacks are greatly amused by the cleverness that inspired them


NOTE:- I have a great sympathy with the innocent peoples died in New York,Pentagon,Pensylvania,Bosnia and still dying in Palestine and in Kashmir!!
Great scholars said:
"Murder of one innocent people is equal to murder of one nation"

[This message has been edited by Hassan Naqvi (edited October 02, 2001).]
 
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You have done nothing but babble. What the hell is your point? You make statements then when asked to provide facts you just blow them off. You say there is terrorism all over the world. OK. What would you have the USA do? And what has your country done to stop world terrorism? Talk is cheap.
 
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Hassan,
What are you asking? If I can understand you, you are asking why Bush didn't do anything about world terrorism in his eight months in office prior to 9/11/01? Is that your question?
The answer is simple. On 9/11 our country had an act of war committed on it by Islamic forces in the Middle-East. This fact is undeniable. The response to this act of war is to destroy the foundoation of Islamic terrorism. We realize that this means taking on the many criminal regimes who provide support for the attackers, as well as taking on sympathizing groups, not to mention Al Queda, the Taliban, and Bin Laden. These targets I have mentioned all have the destruction of the U.S. as their objective, so naturally we are more concerned about them as opposed to for exampl, IRA terrorists, or terrorists in Kashmir, who currently are not plotting the death of Americans and the destruction of the American way of life. We look out for our own above all else. So what is so hard for you to understand?
A quick comment about your sig. While there are of course innocent Palestineans being killed in Israel, and that is a terrible tragedy, the real criminals are the Palestineans who try to get their own children killed by forcing them into confrontation against Israeli soldiers. As has been stated in the media, they are trying to get young kids to confront the Israeli soldiers in the hope the Israelis will kill them, in order to genereate more world sympathy for their cause. This goes beyond sick. Nobody who picks up a rock to throw at an armed soldier is "innocent", they are simply stupid. The Palestinean movement has lost all credibility. Frankly I think the Israelis have shown remarkable restraint, and you can probably thank the U.S. for that.
 
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And that *is* the key point, Jason. This attack is an attempt to implicate the U.S. in all the troubles of the Middle East, and to drag it into the conflict. That's what zealots do: define the entire world in terms of their own issues.
You can see it in Hassan's tagline as well, in his attempt to associate the destruction here with the "senseless" loss of life in Palestine and Kashmir. It's clear Hassan sees no distinction between the two, and it's an perspective like that that make us all targets whenever someone deems us one.
 
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I am really flabbergasted...Why do you guys dignify firebrands by replying to their rather obnoxious messages...???
 
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I endeavor to refrain from giving credence to such unfounded drivel.
 
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