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'Why do they hate us?'

 
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"Why do they hate us?" asked President Bush in his speech to Congress last Thursday night. It is a question that has ached in America's heart for the past two weeks. Why did those 19 men choose to wreck the icons of US military and economic power?
Most Arabs and Muslims knew the answer, even before they considered who was responsible. Retired Pakistani Air Commodore Sajad Haider - a friend of the US - understood why. Radical Egyptian-born cleric and US enemy Abu Hamza al-Masri understood. And Jimmy Nur Zamzamy, a devout Muslim and advertising executive in Indonesia, understood.
They all understood that this assault was more precisely targeted than an attack on "civilization." First and foremost, it was an attack on America.
In the United States, military planners are deciding how to exact retribution. To many people in the Middle East and beyond, where US policy has bred widespread anti-Americanism, the carnage of Sept. 11 was retribution.
And voices across the Muslim world are warning that if America doesn't wage its war on terrorism in a way that the Muslim world considers just, America risks creating even greater animosity.
Mr. Haider is a hero of Pakistan's 1965 war against India, and a sworn friend of America. But he and his neighbors in one of Islamabad's toniest districts are clear about why their warm feelings toward the US are not widely shared in Pakistan.
In his dim office in a north London mosque, Abu Hamza al-Masri sympathizes with the goals of Osama bin Laden, fingered by US officials as the prime suspect behind the Sept. 11 attacks. Abu Hamza has himself directed terrorist operations abroad, according to the British police, although for lack of evidence, they have never brought him to trial.
Mr. Zamzamy, a 30-something advertising executive in Jakarta, knew what was behind the attack, too. Trying to give his ads some zip and still stay within the bounds of his Muslim faith, he is keenly aware of the tensions between Islam and American-style global capitalism.
The 19 men - who US officials say hijacked four American passenger jets and flew them on suicide missions that left more than 7,000 people dead or missing - were all from the Middle East. Most of the hijackers have been identified as Muslims.
The vast majority of Muslims in the Middle East were as shocked and horrified as any American by what they saw happening on their TV screens. And they are frightened of being lumped together in the popular American imagination with the perpetrators of the attack.
But from Jakarta to Cairo, Muslims and Arabs say that on reflection, they are not surprised by it. And they do not share Mr. Bush's view that the perpetrators did what they did because "they hate our freedoms."
Rather, they say, a mood of resentment toward America and its behavior around the world has become so commonplace in their countries that it was bound to breed hostility, and even hatred.
And the buttons that Mr. bin Laden pushes in his statements and interviews - the injustice done to the Palestinians, the cruelty of continued sanctions against Iraq, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, the repressive and corrupt nature of US-backed Gulf governments - win a good deal of popular sympathy.
The resentment of the US has spread through societies demoralized by their recent history. In few of the world's 50 or so Muslim countries have governments offered their citizens either prosperity or democracy. Arab nations have lost three wars against their arch-foe - and America's closest ally - Israel. A sense of failure and injustice is rising in the throats of millions.
Three weeks ago, a leading Arabic newspaper, Al-Hayat, published a poem on its front page. A long lament about the plight of the Arabs, addressed to a dead Syrian poet, it ended:
"Children are dying, but no one makes a move.
Houses are demolished, but no one makes a move.
Holy places are desecrated, but no one makes a move....
I am fed up with life in the world of mortals.
Find me a hole near you. For a life of dignity is in those holes."
It sounds as if it could have been written by a desperate and hopeless man, driven by frustration to seek death, perhaps martyrdom. A young Palestinian refugee planning a suicide bomb attack, maybe. In fact, it was written by the Saudi Arabian ambassador to London, a member of one of the wealthiest and most influential families in the kingdom that is Washington's closest Arab ally.
Against the background of that humiliated mood, America's unchallenged military, economic, and cultural might be seen as an affront even if its policies in the Middle East were neutral. And nobody voices that view.
From one end of the region to the other, the perception is that Israel can get away with murder - literally - and that Washington will turn a blind eye. Clearly, the US and Israel have compelling reasons for their actions. But little that US diplomats have done in recent years to broker a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians has persuaded Arabs that the US is a fair-minded and equitable judge of Middle Eastern affairs.
Over the past year, Arab TV stations have broadcast countless pictures of Israeli soldiers shooting at Palestinian youths, Israeli tanks plowing into Palestinian homes, Israeli helicopters rocketing Palestinian streets. And they know that the US sends more than $3 billion a year in military and economic aid to Israel.
"You see this every day, and what do you feel?" asks Rafiq Hariri, the portly prime minister of Lebanon, who is not an excitable man. "It hurts me a lot. But for hundreds of thousands of Arabs and Muslims, it drives them crazy. They feel humiliated."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0927/p1s1-wogi.html
 
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Ugh, Grunt Grunt .. uh huh.. Ugh Grunt. USA #1 Ugh Grunt,
Israel good, Ugh, Grunt, Ragheads bad.. Grunt Grunt.. India good.. where the #$%$ is India? Ugh.. grunt, that ho got.. hehe
 
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This is crazy posting...........People like this should be posting without hiding their name..........Are u scared coward..open up..........
 
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Stop posting CRAP, and actually read and make some argument. If you have something to say... SAY IT!!!
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[This message has been edited by Faisal Dosani (edited September 28, 2001).]
 
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It's a circle. How do these same Arabs and Muslims respond when they see televised pictures of Jews or Christians being bombed or shot? I doubt that they feel the same pain and humiliation.
Actually, it seems to be a reason to celebrate.
 
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Originally posted by Howard Ralston:
It's a circle. How do these same Arabs and Muslims respond when they see televised pictures of Jews or Christians being bombed or shot? I doubt that they feel the same pain and humiliation.
Actually, it seems to be a reason to celebrate.


Half of the Arab Palestinians ARE Christians!! The Palestinian Liberation Front was led by a Palestinian Christian (George Habbash). The PLO is a secular organization, a lot of the PLO activists are Christians including Yassar Arafat's wife!
 
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Although this article mainly focuses on middle-east too and their hate towards US, I would like to add that there are similar feelings throughout the world. Probably not to the same extent but very close.
Anyway, here is the
Time article ---> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101011001-175979,00.html
Few good links inside that page too.
 
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And the buttons that Mr. bin Laden pushes in his statements and interviews - the injustice done to the Palestinians
-> What injustice has the US done? We have been the driving force behind trying to help broker peace?

the cruelty of continued sanctions against Iraq
-> Everyone I know laments this, whether you believe it or not, but Hussein attacked his neighbors, his countrymen, people of the same faith, he is not to be trusted. Perhaps you would have liked to have seen what he could do with all the weapons of mass destruction he manufactures??? It is terrible, but many think considerably less so than him launching some biological weapon against the world. His neighbors, of all people, should have been concerned. Did you think he intended to launch that at the US? He has not the means.
the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia
-> At their bequest, because that poor Saddam is a madman. If you want to go bombing someone for that, perhaps the gov't that ASKED for our presence should to blame?!
the repressive and corrupt nature of US-backed Gulf governments
-> Yeah, because so many of the others are so squeaky clean??? Good grief!!
- win a good deal of popular sympathy.
-> Well, that says it all. Any piece of filth that can sympathize with what was done on 9-11 is a terrorist IMO. There is not an ounce of goodness in them. They are pure, unadulterated evil.

The resentment of the US has spread through societies demoralized by their recent history. In few of the world's 50 or so Muslim countries have governments offered their citizens either prosperity or democracy. Arab nations have lost three wars against their arch-foe - and America's closest ally - Israel. A sense of failure and injustice is rising in the throats of millions.
-> The people in Arab nations who resent the US because the US is prosperous and because their governments treat them incredibly poorly shouldn't blame the US. It just seems like they would be angry at their own gov't!? They are playing right into the hands of the totalitarians. "Hate them, and let us continue to subjugate you." Unfortunately, their gov't's will always be oppressive as long as the people blame all their problems on the US just because it is prosperous.
Disgusting. How can anyone have so much hatred in their hearts that they would support such a thing? The US long has worked to broker peace, and has enjoyed a long period of peace. Now all these places that cannot seem to stop fighting have pulled us into it. I will never understand why some people insist on being a warring people.
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I have a perfect solution.
First thing we have to do is continue to develop our own oil resources. That will probably mean drilling in national parks in Alasks and such, but it simply must be done. This will have the effect of ending our dependancy on Middle-East oil.
Next we pull out of Saudi Arabia, concentrating all forces that are there in Kuwait instead, since their people still really want us and need us to be there. The Kuwaiti people have not forgotten who saved Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from being annexed by Iraq. Our forces in Kuwait would remain strictly defensive, although defense also means continuing to destroy Iraqi attempts at producing nuclear capabilities. Otherwise, Iraq can do what they want in the region.
The third thing we do is double the amount of aid we give to Israel. Further we no longer hinder them in the way they choose to handle the Palestineans or their other Arab neighbors.
And finally we end all aid of any kind to any Muslim country. Humanitarian aid, military aid, economic aid, all of it must cease.
What effect will this achieve? The US halting oil purchases from OPEC will be financially devestating to the region. Iraq will now be free to go after Saudi Arabia and the other moderate countries in the region. Israel will deal with the Palesinean issue. And with the exception of Kuwait (until they ask us to leave or we just pull out), we will have no further involvement with the Arab world.
I think for the most part, that plan should make everyone happy. They are unable to act like civilized beings? Fine, let them get along without us, which is what they think they want anyway.
 
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good idea Pat Buchannan!
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I have a perfect solution.
And finally we end all aid of any kind to any Muslim country. Humanitarian aid, military aid, economic aid, all of it must cease.


And to begin with lets fight war for "freedom" with help of "dictator" of Islamic Republic of pakistan
Read this for more info:
http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=599044076
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I have a perfect solution.
(...)
Next we pull out of Saudi Arabia, concentrating all forces that are there in Kuwait instead, since their people still really want us and need us to be there. The Kuwaiti people have not forgotten who saved Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from being annexed by Iraq.
(...)
And finally we end all aid of any kind to any Muslim country. Humanitarian aid, military aid, economic aid, all of it must cease.
(...)


Jason, I found a bug in your perfect solution!
Q8 is a Muslim country!
Here is the patch :
"And finally we end all aid of any kind to any Muslim country." add "except Q8."
Hope this helps
 
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Originally posted by OMAR KHAN:

Jason, I found a bug in your perfect solution!
Q8 [b]is
a Muslim country!
Here is the patch :
"And finally we end all aid of any kind to any Muslim country." add "except Q8."
Hope this helps [/B]


Yep. I kind of implied that but thanks for the clarification. I could be mistaken, but I think that most of what we provide Kuwait is military aid. They are not a poor and starving country so I don't see much use for us to be giving a lot of humanitarian aid to them. I would provide further exceptions for Turkey and Bosnia (jointly run by Croats , Serbs , and Bosniaks).
Ram Ram, I don't think India needs help fighting Pakistan, our non-support of them should be more than enough. What they do need is to be careful so that Pakistan doesn't nuke India. I'm not advocating going to war with the entire middle-east and north africa, I'm just advocating complete non-involvement. Funny thing is, many of these countries might see our halting of financial aid as an act of hostility, which goes to show that there is just no way to come out ahead when dealing with these countries. We're screwed if we help them, screwed if we don't.
And to Jim from Toledo, who is too ashamed to register and use his real name, what solutions do you propose?
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:

Ram Ram, I don't think India needs help fighting Pakistan, our non-support of them should be more than enough. What they do need is to be careful so that Pakistan doesn't nuke India.


Yep. you are right on target.
 
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I don't think Pakistan have enough land to take all our nukes.. May be we will drop one on top of K2, just in case if any Pak diplomat hiding there...
Just kidding, we never use our nukes, even if some one else nukes us... We have a big wheel to turn before taking decisions... And as usual more than 1 billion different opinions
 
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