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Should we learn hacking?

 
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Hi friends,
U know there r 3 kinds of hackers --- black hat hacker(who does harm to others/netwroks.firms), gray hat hackers(gives tips on how to hack) and white hat hackers (protect from hacking by hacking himself )....
My question is should we learn hacking so that if needed we can use our knowledge on hacking in real life? There is a disadvantage despite one determines that he'll not do any harm or only become a white hat hacker --- that is when u have power u'll inherently try to use it (basic human nature).....
So i wanna know whether we should learn hacking if we get n opprtunity or skip from that....ur opines/views needed ranchers....

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Well, if you ask, you probably should not. What "opportunity" do you mean? Who will give you this opportunity? "Power is never given, power is always taken"
 
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Hi Map,
Think abt if JavaRanch has a forum on learning how to hack in popular systems and how to systemmatically crack a software --- then as we can learn java from here we also would be able to learn hacking from that forum --- isn't it better than any book or tutorial and titled as an opprtunity? I know javaranch will never do such a dam thing....
Ur answer is "no" only if someone ask ---- that means "yes" in mind.....

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I think the answer to your question is no. Hacking means learning details that will be obsolete soon. better to learn how to program if a job is what you want. I could have spent my time learning details of windows but I thought learning http protocol and server/client more important...if you get my drift
 
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Ok, Ashik, here is the first assignment for you: to hack Michael Ernest's birthdate hidden somewhere on the Ranch
 
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Ashik, I think the answer is very much yes. Hacking will force you learn two things. Some relatively low level language like C, which I think should be the first one to be learned for anyone out there. The second thing you will be forced to do is to learn from protocols in TCP/IP suite to all kinds of other LAN protocols. That will help you completely understand how internet works. And the thrill of even breaking into someone's email account is great.
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Hi Map,
We can get the Ernest's birthday from his ICQ Number. I m not n icq user and even i would have been i won't desire to hack Ernest's birthday....after all he can deprive me of drinks any time like u... ....and u know i like beers of this saloon....

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Yeah,U are right.
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Hacking isn't something that can be taught in classrooms or over the internet. It comes from in-depth study of individual systems and what makes them work. Learning nitty gritty details is best done by individuals with lots 'o free time. Depending on your definition of hacking that is. If by hacking you mean taking programs written by other people that you don't fully understand and inserting IP addresses so you can affect/gain access to something you shouldn't, then there doesn't seem to be any good reason to.
 
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Thnx David,
I meant by hacking/cracking something like that u need a s/w in a network and don't have access....how can u get that? Or u need a s/w's installation key and u create urself a key generator to crack it....something like these that r everyday-life necessities.... ...but of course not telling people how u did them. Or may be u want someone's e-mail and u can't get it....now find that with some hints..... ...
Ethics is related with wrong implementation....and that tells us not to do that.....i agree....


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In reply to some guy talking about Black Hat Hackers( who harm others by hacking) and da white Hat Hackers (who protect from hackers)why da hell, why its always black when something bad is to be happen, let just say white hat hackers harm and black protect......
 
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Yoiks, a thread populated by 12 year olds.
Translation:
u = you
r = are
u'll = you'll
wanna = want to
n = an or and
ur = you're or your
abt = about
da = the
There are also various typos, acronyms, colloquialisms and product names that also reduce the likelyhood of communication. If you combine this with people from around the world and people like me with poor grammar, shouldn't we be trying to enhance communication rather than deract?
Mark me off topic. Oh, this isn't Slashdot
(and no personal abuse intended Ashik, occasionally I just need to spout )
 
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Bah, I got caught by a thread resurrected from 2 years ago.
Boy is my face red!
(I was sure I didn't remember Ashik talking like that - appologies, dude!)
 
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
Bah, I got caught by a thread resurrected from 2 years ago.
Boy is my face red!
(I was sure I didn't remember Ashik talking like that - appologies, dude!)




What's happening Dave, too many mistakes (you know which post I'm referring too )
 
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Bah, I got caught by a thread resurrected from 2 years ago.
Boy is my face red!
(I was sure I didn't remember Ashik talking like that - appologies, dude!)


Well David, I have changed my thoughts a lot during my last two years' venture at JavaRanch.
 
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stop stalking me
 
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i guess it really depends on what you want to do. if you want to write stand alone apps for a living, no. if you want to be network adminstrator i would think maybe yes. i think it would be much effort with little practical benefit, and i just never got into it.
 
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i guess it really depends on what you want to do. if you want to write stand alone apps for a living, no. if you want to be network adminstrator i would think maybe yes. i think it would be much effort with little practical benefit, and i just never got into it.


Good opinion Randell. I understood it 2 years' back and decided not to favor this loose thought.
 
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