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Pictures of Americans / Brits Bombing terrorists

 
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Yay! lets do this more. Killed 1 million in I-raq lets go for Afgan now..
http://www.gupshupforums.com/gallery/1/aljazeera-21-10-01-2.jpg

http://www.gupshupforums.com/gallery/1/aljazeera-21-10-01.jpg
http://www.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2001/10/10-21-8.htm

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I will never carry these pictures. Does not look good for our percision bombing in Afghan. And they say we have a free media here.
 
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So do any bartenders/sheriff's have any problem with this type of posting? Because if this is going to be allowed, then i will post 10 times the crapload these morons are posting.
 
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Originally posted by CNN_MSNBC_US_MEDIA:

I will never carry these pictures. Does not look good for our percision bombing in Afghan. And they say we have a free media here.


Moron. Our news agencies don't carry this crap because they have what are known as journalistic standards. One of those standards is that they must be able to verify the source and some degree of veracity. We do not know (or care really) the source of these pictures. Maybe it's pictures of the Iraqi's or Taliban's killing of their own people? They could have come from any number of sources, which we can not verify. Of course this doesn't matter to such fine news organizations Al-jazeera.
Now let's assume they are recent pictures of Afghanis who were killed. It cannot be assumed that they died as a direct result of them being hit by allied munitions. The Iraqis killed many of their own citizens while trying to shoot down our aircraft. Remember, what goes up has to come down. Maybe the Taleban decided they wanted some nice pictures for the press so they manufactured them? Or are they too honest for that? Or maybe these were civillians who were at a legitimate military target. That's another one right out of the pages of the Iraqis.
I'm sure you think we are just indiscriminantly raining death from above down on civillian apartment complexes, hospitals, and "Baby Milk Factories" (another Iraqi ruse), but that just ain't the way it is. There is most definitely the possibility that it is one of our munitions gone awry. That really sucks, I wish it never happened, but sometimes it does. The difference between us and your buddies, is that we care when civillians accidentally get killed and do everything reasonably within our power to avoid it. They target them.
Now if the Taleban really cared for the people of their country, which we all know they do not, they would have met our demands and maybe this could have been avoided. We also gave quite a lengthy forwarning of what we were going to do. Too bad those scumbags didn't do the same for us when they killed ~7000 of us.
 
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I agree with Andy,
in my opinion, this pictures should NOT be allowed in this forum, we have seen enough pictures like this in the news paper (not only in Iraq, Afghan, or US, but also from other country), so I don't need to see any pictures like this again in this forum.
I suggest Sheriff/Bartender block this thread, before somebody else do the same thing, it's so damn iritating
 
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Originally posted by Stevie Kaligis:
I agree with Andy,
in my opinion, this pictures should NOT be allowed in this forum, we have seen enough pictures like this in the news paper (not only in Iraq, Afghan, or US, but also from other country), so I don't need to see any pictures like this again in this forum.
I suggest Sheriff/Bartender block this thread, before somebody else do the same thing, it's so damn iritating


While I certainly don't like the pictures, it is part of life, and ignoring the horrible things doesn't make them go away. Now if images such as those are being posted gratuitously (as these may be), then that is wrong. I'm also not sure what the acceptable minimum age for Java Ranchers is, but some youger children could end up being very disturbed.
In this case the posting of the images was probably for no purpose other than shock value and to further an agenda. If it was a fact based posting it wouldn't have been a problem IMHO.
 
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To person who posted these pictures: what were your intentions? To make American people (probably not only American...) feel guilty? Those who can feel this way already do, no need for such a demonstration. Those who naturally are not inclined to feel guilty in such circumstances, will not change their personality even after seeing your pictures. You only disturb everybody. If you want to make a point, try to express yourself in some other -more acceptable - way. Please, refrain from posting pictures like these in the future.
 
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Please, refrain from posting pictures like these in the future.

Please refrain from posting pictures like these in the future. Thank you.
 
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I agree that the above pictures have no place in our forums.
But having said that I also I think ALL the so called "fun" drawings and pictures like these should stop. Whatever can be said about the feelings of americans and as such a big proportion of the western world we have to accept that Bin Laden and this "terrorists" are heroes in the eyes of many people.
 
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To Everyone in this forum,
For me, Justice should prevail over anything and everything. If you want to deliver justice, then you should have to look at the truths from either side. The problem now is that the USA wants the justice to be force-accepted upon people of the whole world to their selfish advantages. They are concerned in the interests of their own citizens alone and they will destroy anything for that in the name of justice and international community. It is only the sheer propaganda of US which hides the truth to most of the people. The US wants to propagate whatever it says and does not want any truth to be broadcast to people through the media.

The current so called terrorism was nourished and well-developed by the US for their selfish motives against the soviet. Bin Laden was trained by the CIA. When those people were inline with the interests of the US, they were patriots and heroes, but when the same group of people 'acted as trained by US', they become International Terrorists.

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Ok here's the deal. I've been wanting to do something about the jokey kind of stuff for a while, but have been overruled by other moderators .. fair enough. But this really does go over the line. However, we can't stop pictures from one side of this argument and not from the other.
So a polite request.
Please if you have any pictures, be they as disturbing as these or cartoons or even news articles which may cause offence and you really do feel the need to post them here then please rather than posting them directly here, just post a link and a brief description. Then people can make their own choice.
We do have many young people visit this site and I wouldn't want to subject them to these kinds of images.
Any such things posted after today will be edited into a link if possible. If not, the thread may be locked /edited or deleted as appropriate.
I realise this is a war. I realise many people have died / suffered on both sides of this conflict. I make no distinction between any person on either side of this who has suffered because of it. Some things should be noted though. In my opinion, In no way shape or form is ANY of this thing funny, and I think to try to make it so dishonours the memories of those who have died. I'm disgusted by some of the e-mails I've recieved lately. Also, using images such as those above I find inappropriate. I'm not saying we should deny that children are being killed (I'm certain they are), but if such images were to be shown on a news broadcast they would be preceded with a warning. Here we don't have that, so please in future just use links.

[This message has been edited by Angela Poynton (edited October 22, 2001).]
 
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Whatever can be said about the feelings of americans and as such a big proportion of the western world we have to accept that Bin Laden and this "terrorists" are heroes in the eyes of many people.


The fact that many people are of the opinion that what Bin Laden and his terrorists did on 9/11 were "good" does not justify what they did. The events of that day were atrocities, and the misguided thoughts of some cannot change that. A person's feelings do not change reality. Something does not become true just because someone thinks it is true! Opinions cannot make wrong things right and right things wrong!!!
But let me also argue that we Americans should not be so blinded by our thirst for vengeance that we cannot weep for the innocent lives that are lost in our retaliation. Whether or not the photos above are really the result of American bombs, we must acknowledge that some innocent people have been killed by those bombs, and each of those is as much a loss as any of the lives taken in the WTC or the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania on September 11th. I am not saying, however, that we ought not retaliate because of the fact that some civilians will be killed as we go about destroying viable targets, attempting to flush out terrorists and bring down a government that aids and harbors them. Anyone who attacks the United States must expect a severe response. Did anyone really think we'd sit on our hands and say "we can't just go dropping bombs over there! What if we accidentally kill an innocent person?" No, this is a justified response. If the Taliban is so concerned about their civilians killed in the crossfire, deliver us Bin Laden!
 
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Originally posted by Neutral Thinker:

To Everyone in this forum,
For me, Justice should prevail over anything and everything. If you want to deliver justice, then you should have to look at the truths from either side. The problem now is that the USA wants the justice to be force-accepted upon people of the whole world to their selfish advantages. They are concerned in the interests of their own citizens alone and they will destroy anything for that in the name of justice and international community.


I think most rational people are perfectly capable of seeing things from both sides. What you fail to comprehend is that we are asserting our rights to self-defense. Like it or not, our actions are perfectly legal and really the response that should have been expected. They are lucky we are being so restrained. That being said I hate to hear when we kill "innocents" (the term is relative), but the people we are bombing don't have this moral conflict, civillians are their preferred target. And yes we are concerned about our citizens, that's a government's job after all, and we will destroy anything that seeks to deny us our lives or way of life. That is a luxury that powerful nations have, and the reason they aren't some little third world sh$thole to begin with. You want to know what happened the last time a nation decided that pacifism was the proper response against an agressor? Ask the Dali Lama.


It is only the sheer propaganda of US which hides the truth to most of the people. The US wants to propagate whatever it says and does not want any truth to be broadcast to people through the media.


In this age of the internet we are able to get our news from many sources all over the world, and with the exception of that bastion of journalistic integrity Al-Jazeera, they are all pretty much saying the same thing. Does that mean that everybody but the Arab press is involved in one big consiracy? You may or may not be aware of concepts like freedom of the press, but our journalists actively seek to uncover and report anything they can, regardless to the fact that it may or may not be in our best interests.


The current so called terrorism was nourished and well-developed by the US for their selfish motives against the soviet. Bin Laden was trained by the CIA. When those people were inline with the interests of the US, they were patriots and heroes, but when the same group of people 'acted as trained by US', they become International Terrorists.


"So called terrorism"? Umm, I guess the only other thing I can think to call it is an unprovoked attack carried out on another nation. The fact that Bin Laden received training from anybody is immaterial. Using your same logic, if a former US Soldier goes into the local shopping mall, pulls out an automatic rifle, and starts mowing shoppers down, it's ok because he "acted as trained by US"? That sounds pretty insane doesn't it? You are aware that Bin Laden was fighting before we helped train him, right? Btw the US never considered Bin Laden a "patriot and a hero", the CIA made the probably poor decision that out of all the factions involved in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets, the Islamic extremists were the most predictable so they were therefore easier to work with. And we didn't train him how to ram jets into the sides of building, we didn't train him how to attack non-military targets.
 
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On second thought i think the pics should stay and let more like them be posted if those people so choose. I will post my own pics shortly.
And honestly i think that those kids are the lucky ones. They dont have to grow up in a barren desolate land and lead an utterly useless life. They wont live in poverty and wont have to be submerged in all the stupidity and utter ignorance that those lands breed.
 
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Originally posted by Andy Ceponis:
And honestly i think that those kids are the lucky ones. They dont have to grow up in a barren desolate land and lead an utterly useless life. They wont live in poverty and wont have to be submerged in all the stupidity and utter ignorance that those lands breed.


Way to go for ignorant generalizations! Do you even read what you write. Do you even know what Afghanistan or its people were like before they landed in the middle of US versus Communism debate of fists. I bet you didn't even know where on the map it was before it was invaded by the Russians.
Don't you see it's ignorance and then hatred that got the human race to this frontier in the first place.
Here's something to educate you and it's not from Al-Jazeera:
MINNESOTA MEETING, MINNEAPOLIS
MINNESOTA, MINNEAPOLIS
SEPTEMBER 26, 2001
"WHAT DOES OUR FUTURE DEMAND OF LEADERS TODAY?"
(Entire speech can be found @ http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.htm)
"I�ll end by telling a story.
There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.
....
One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization�s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.
Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
...
While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I�m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.
...
Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.
And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population-that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.
This kind of enlightened leadership - leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage - led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.
In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership- bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.
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Shama,
Please do me a favor and read the whole thread before responding. I didnt see you whining about "ignorant generalizations" when someone posted those pics and the captions along with them.
They wanted a reaction right?.......
 
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Y'know, I look at the events of the day and wanted to tell myself that this kind of arguing isn't so bad, given the alternative. But this is more like a dog that barks all day until you throw a rock at it. Then it barks even louder, even faster, until you're sure the thing's going to die of exhaustion if it doesn't quit.
Then you realize, it never does quit; it doesn't know how. And the body accepts that and finds a way to stop listening.
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:

What you fail to comprehend is that we are asserting our rights to self-defense.


I feel you fail to comprehend the real fact. The US has launched 'CRUSADE' (quoted by US president Mr.George W.Bush ) AGAINST ISLAM and has codenamed its SATANIC/EVIL OPERATIONS as 'Global War against terrorism'. The American CIA is particularly notorious for such terrorist activities. If every country can start war on another nation in the name of self-defense without any evidence/proof, then I am sure the geographers around the world will have to redraw the world map without many countries particularly the US, because the US is the source of all terrorism. It funds the terrorist all over the world except in its own country.

Originally posted by Jason Menard:

And yes we are concerned about our citizens....and we will destroy anything that seeks to deny us our lives or way of life


This sounds like the statement of a terrorist. Everything has to be brought to Justice. The very existence of UN is a question now. US is not world police. US wants all the countries of the world to approach UN for their problems to be solved but it does'nt want to do so. It acts on its own will and wish. This will surely create Anarchy in the world and will lead to the THIRD WORLD WAR.



In this age of the internet we are able to get our news from many sources all over the world, and with the exception of that bastion of journalistic integrity Al-Jazeera, they are all pretty much saying the same thing. Does that mean that everybody but the Arab press is involved in one big consiracy? You may or may not be aware of concepts like freedom of the press, but our journalists actively seek to uncover and report anything they can, regardless to the fact that it may or may not be in our best interests.


You say this in the luxury of Computers and the Internet Technology in your country. You do not comprehend the fact that a vast majority of the people around the world does not know even to operate a computer. And a lot of people who have operated the computer have not surfed the net. Not everybody gets the true facts. Again here, the US is plotting to hide the truth. They have urged the media to pay more attention to its statements.
I think you are not aware of certain hidden facts. The Arab press does not have much freedom. They cannot print something even if it is the truth. They have 'limited' freedom in exposing to the public that the US is actively launching a CRUSADE against Islam. You know Most of the Arab countries are virtually ruled by the US.



I can think to call it is an unprovoked attack carried out on another nation


This is the same statement which I am repeating. The US has carried out an unprovoked attack on another nation WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE/PROOF. It's attack is based on mere suspicion.



The fact that Bin Laden received training from anybody is immaterial


This is a big Joke. It is definitely a matter. The US says that anybody helping the terrorist in any way is a terrorist. Clearly indicating that the source is important. If taken that stand, the US itself is guilty of terrorism and should attack and destroy itself if it wants to root out terrorism.



if a former US Soldier goes into the local shopping mall, pulls out an automatic rifle, and starts mowing shoppers down, it's ok because he "acted as trained by US"?


He acted as trained by US is wrong in this particular example because he(soldier) is trained to act on orders from US and not on his own. You seem to compare that soldier to Bin Laden, clearly indicating the mindset that you consider him a hero because he (once) acted according to your wishes.



... Bin Laden was fighting before we helped train him.


Clearly you have admitted that your people have trained and sponsored him. You see here Crystal clear that US really started training the terrorists for its selfish causes.



The CIA made the probably poor decision that out of all the factions involved in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets.


First of all, the CIA does not have any right to take that decision; growing terrorism in another country. If the Soviet have thought in the same way that day, their Nuclear Missiles would have wiped out US from the world map, claiming 'we are asserting our rights to self-defense' (This is your own statement).



And we didn't train him how to ram jets into the sides of building


This statement does not really make any sense. You assume that he has rammed jets into buildings without any evidence/proof. Even if that is the case, it should be brought before UN and not act in haste like terrorists. If you train somebody to act like terrorist it is not necessary that you train each and everything. Your basic training will automatically manifest terrorism in all forms.



we didn't train him how to attack non-military targets


I am asking you, why should you train to attack any target, military or non-military ? Are the people in Military not Human beings? Please recognize that MILITARY PERSONNEL ARE ALSO HUMAN BEINGS. They have their own home, wife, children etc. Why should you attack military targets ? Do not kill or train somebody to kill anybody in any part of the world. Accept the fact that there are human beings outside US also. The US policy I think is 'Let us live, Let us alone live in Luxury'. It should be 'Let live, Let us live' for peace to prevail in this world.
 
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Ram Ram, is that you? I don't have time to go through point-by-opint, but I will quickly address a couple things you mentioned.
First, do you really think that just because you haven't seen any proof that none exists? Do you have some sort of super top secret security clearance and a need to know that would grant you access to US intelligence information? I mean really man come back to reality here. Whenever we hand over intelligence information we jeopardize our ability to collect it again, and therefore we jeopardize our ability to protect ourself. No country places their intelligence derived information open to public access. We gave the info that we absolutlely had to various world leaders. And without exception all who have seen it have agreed that we have proof that the Taleban supported Al-Queda organization was involved. You have neither the right to know, nor the need to know what proof we have, and neither do I. But that doesn't change the fact that it is extremely evident through our interation with the world's leaders that we have obtained and provided proof to justify our actions. So the fact that proof does exist, at least to the satisfaction of most of the world's leaders (those who have seen it, including our non-allies such as Russia and China), kind of destroys your entire argument.
As to your comment about military people. I do not think that military people should be attacked of course, but I do recognize that they represent the government's policy and as such are often targetted. I am former military myself so I am very well aware that military people have wives and children too. That being said, I would have preferred that I be the target over a civilian being targeted, since military people at least accept the risks that come along with the job.
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Originally posted by Neutral_ Thinker:
I feel you fail to comprehend the real fact. The US has launched 'CRUSADE' (quoted by US president Mr.George W.Bush ) AGAINST ISLAM and has codenamed its SATANIC/EVIL OPERATIONS as 'Global War against terrorism'.



okay, i am going to respond... yes, President Bush unfortunately used the word "Crusade" on the saturday following the attacks when he made a statement from Camp David. however, he said the US is launching a crusade against "Terrorism", not "Islam." get your facts straight... instead of trying to twist his words around to suit your agenda.
i was disappointed that he used the word "Crusade" because it carries different meanings in different countries/cultures. however, if you pay attention, he has not used the word since that day.

This is a big Joke. It is definitely a matter. The US says that anybody helping the terrorist in any way is a terrorist. Clearly indicating that the source is important. If taken that stand, the US itself is guilty of terrorism and should attack and destroy itself if it wants to root out terrorism.


yes, this is unfortunate as well... however, we trained the SOB when he was fighting against oppression. we had no idea that he would turn on us and become such a terrible menace. our stance against "anybody that helps, harbors or funds terrorism" applies to people who help known terrorists... not people who will potentially be terrorists in another 10 or 15 years. believe me, if we had known, we would not have traied the A-hole.
as for the rest of your comments; i am not going to bother.
 
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Damn i have too much time on my hands to read such threads and even more time to post a reply ! everyone has opinions , even if they smell like onions ( i just made that up ). What did i intend my post to mean ? dont worry , i was just thinking loud and they all dont make sense which ever way you read it
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Btw,
Here is as much proof as you are likely to see: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2001/10/04/terrorism.pdf
 
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The original poster seems to be mentally challenged :-)
The afghans themselves hold the record of afghanis killed! Ha ha!
We are doing them a favor by liberating them from the ruthless Taliban. We ARE Afghanistan's saviors!
 
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Whatever the source of those pictures and whatever the cause of the events they depict, the reality is that if you are conducting any significant war, in a far a way country, you will kill people you did not mean to kill and some of them will be children, some will be old ladies, some will be soldiers.
If the war is to liberate the Afgahns from the Taliban, who will replace them and what policies do they have and what history?
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Originally posted by Marcus Green:

If the war is to liberate the Afgahns from the Taliban, who will replace them and what policies do they have and what history?


US and UK are bombing Afghanistan to protect their own interests.
The rest is just rhetoric.
 
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Originally posted by OMAR KHAN:

US and UK are bombing Afghanistan to protect their own interests.
The rest is just rhetoric.


The US is bombing Afghanistan because forces based in Afghanistan, actively supported by the government (in fact the Taleban and Al-Queda are almost inseperable), attacked us, on several occasions. The US is going to do what it must to ensure that those forces no longer have the ability to carry out such operations again. So you could say that we are bombing them to protect our interests. In this case it is in our interest that these sub-humans lose their ability to conduct operations against us like on 9-11, and we will do this without emasculating ourselves by capitulating to their insane demands.
As for why the UK is involved it is a little more complicated. One reason of course it that they share the same interests as us in this instance. The other reason is that when we were attacked, those idiots didn't realize that they were attacking at least 19 other nations as well, those being our 18 NATO allies, plus Australia who also holds a mutual defense treaty with us. By these treaties, when one nation is attacked, all others are required to respond. So what those little pissants accomplished with four planes was to bring down the resources of the mightiest nations on the planet to bear against them. I guess all they can say at this point is, "whoops".
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Originally posted by Marcus Green:
...If the war is to liberate the Afgahns from the Taliban, who will replace them and what policies do they have and what history...?


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Please visit the link below. Find out if it really makes any sense when people say they are liberating afghans from the Taliban. I strongly believe that the media is playing the tricks IN FAVOUR OF CURRENCY.
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/daily/foc/0,8773,180342,00.html
 
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By the way, what's going on with your name?


Somebody ( probably at javaranch ) does not like my postings and remove my login or change my password.

Visit the link http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20011023&fname=pilger&sid=1
 
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Oh no, no. It's nobody's act against you, it's just our software acting strange it's not only you who has problems with login and password. Maybe we will have to re-build user file, which means to lose some latest information, oh well.
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Some more information
WAR AGAINST TERRORISM IS FRAUD http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/001341.html

ISRAELI HAPPINESS FOR SEP11 ATTACKS http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/001345.html

 
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Speaking of bombing.... I heard within the last couple days we have dropped a couple of BLU-82 "Daisy Cutter" bombs on the front lines of the Taliban. These things are fifteen feet long and have to be dropped out of the back of a cargo plane. Kind of like dropping a Volkswagon from a plane, only heavier. They contain 6 times more the amount of amonium nitrate than what McVeigh used in Oklahoma, and will absolutely disintegrate anything within 600 yards of where they go off. Talk about being economical, they only cost about $27,000 each.
These were used in Vietnam to rapidly clear forest. I believe they were also used against Iraqi troops with great effect.
Just goes to show that sometimes simple is better.
 
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Originally posted by Andy Ceponis:

And honestly i think that those kids are the lucky ones. They dont have to grow up in a barren desolate land and lead an utterly useless life. They wont live in poverty and wont have to be submerged in all the stupidity and utter ignorance that those lands breed.


I think if truly believe this, then you are a prime candidate for 'saving', as that comment does not suggest that you are very enlightened.
Whether these particular pictures are authentic or not, it must be acknowledged that these images like these are a consequence on war. Rather than try to discredit these pictures or attack individuals who hold differing points of view, perhaps we should at least try and appreciate these peoples plight.
While the US undoubtedly had to take military action against Oslama and his network, don't try and sanitise the whole affair through denial. And let's not kid ourselves that the West is whiter than the driven snow.

 
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