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To Michael Ernest. Confession.

 
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I do not know how to say... But I think I should be honest with you. I cannot lie you any more.
Michael, I've never read RHE. I used Bill Brogden's Exam Cram during my SCJP preparations.
Will you forgive me? If you can...
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Your Freudian slip is showing, sugar.
 
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First other publishers,
Now other authors,
Is this any way to start out?
 
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Michael, where is my Freudian slip? I cannot find... Where do you see it? Of course that fact that I cannot spot my own Freudian slip is somehow perpendicular to the very idea of Freudian slip... But Ok. Michael, where is Freudian slip?
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I do not know how to say... But I think I should be honest with you. I cannot lie you any more.


"Lie" is either the wrong form of the verb or this one is missing a preposition.
 
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True. But finding something Freudian in this probably says more about the reader than it does about the author.
[This message has been edited by Jim Yingst (edited December 17, 2001).]
 
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Michael Ernest, I still do not see how it can be qualified as "Freudian slip". "ESL slip" - maybe... This brings an interesting question: are "Freudian slips" possible with non-native language? I do not think so. For example, in Russian there is no word play with "lie-lay" - these are two different verbs. I did miss "to", but this is more grammar problem than anything else. English and Russian prepositions do not map well (pun intended) so I often do not know which preposition (if any) to use. For not to choose them arbitrary, I simply follow my native language rules. In Russian, I would say "lie you", not "lie to you".
If to think deeper, "Freudian slip" belongs to the language, and "lie - lay" is a perfect example. This slip is really "collective unconscious". It is not "Freudian slip", it is "Jungian slip".

 
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Jungle Slip ?
 
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Hah, that makes it 2-2, folks! Ersin sees as well as I do the very much expected use of language gap as an alibi. It's played with solid technique, mind you, but anticipation of its arrival robs the execution of all zest. It's rather like watching the Democratic response to the State of the Union three days after the fact.
Jim, your puppeteering is beginning to show as well. Your internationlized Eliza project gone terribly wrong is revealed by how often you and 'Mar' post one after the other in this forum. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, indeed. It's practically indecent how you two always show up in the same places.
Still, for the sake of appearances, let me trot out the expected: "Of course, I've seen something where there's nothing, my own fantasies are now laid bare in the open, I've only embarrassed myself, la la la..."
Speaking of which, any good site recommendations for help on XML?
 
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2-2? You think the fact that Ersin doesn't know who C.G.Jung is makes a goog defense strategy?
"It's practically indecent how you two always show up in the same places." - and I thought *Jim* is jealous!
Help on XML: you may like XML suck. There was another great site, XMLBastard, but it's down now.
Enjoy their old manifesto: "A site dedicated to being hypercritical of XML. This is the place where people bitch and complain about XML and the half-assed standards evolving around it."
P.S. Ersin, I was kidding about you. Sorry for that.
 
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Michael's joke about internationalized Eliza is far too and MD traffic is too slow today, so I decided to post some clarifications. Sorry for the offensive explanations below . I thought, we do not know how many people read MD, but we know many of them do not belong to the English-speaking world, some may be too young and did not have enough time to acquaint themselves with acmes of Western civilisation...
So.
"Eliza" alludes to Joseph Weizenbaum's famous computer program which could imitate dialog in English so well, that some people belived they speak (write, actually) to the real person. One example of Eliza implementation is here. (Java!)
Weizenbaum's "Eliza", in turn, alludes to Eliza Doolittle, a hero of Bernard Shaw's Pygmalion. This poor girl was captured by Phonetics Professor Henry Higgins and was violently taught good English, so she could impersonate an educated lady for a while. (This part of Michael's attack on me is particularly offensive )
Thus, in Michael's post we can see a rare example of a chained allusion, a rhetorical figure the most recent example of which was found in works of Francis Gabbyus, medieval philosopher and alchemist.

[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited December 18, 2001).]
 
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You're only going the follow the chained allusions back as far as Shaw? What, do you think he invented the name "Pygmalion" all by himself? Back to the bookshelves with you!
> Still, for the sake of appearances, let me trot out the expected
Cute. That an argument is predictable does not make it any less applicable. It sounds to me like you've been caught dead to rights, and are just trying to fast-forward past the part where you get your just deserts. A bit of a mixed metaphor I suppose, but it seems to fit. You couldn't use your extra lead time to think of a better counterargument?
> Your internationlized Eliza project gone terribly wrong is
> revealed by how often you and 'Mar' post one after the other
> in this forum.
Yes, this seems to be one of those projects where the maintenance phase will far outlast the development phase. Lots and lots of maintenance.
 
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Jim's right about Pygmalion; she first appears in the English literature of the 18th century, as one of the original muppets.
JY: That an argument is predictable does not make it any less applicable.
You'll never make it on to Jerry Springer with that attitude.
JY: It sounds to me like you've been caught dead to rights, and are just trying to fast-forward past the part where you get your just deserts.
You misspelled desserts, you misspelled desserts!
JY:You couldn't use your extra lead time to think of a better counterargument?
And risk being swallowed by the very banality I foresaw? Preposterous! Plus I would not have gone off to do better things. Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
[This message has been edited by Michael Ernest (edited December 19, 2001).]
 
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> You misspelled desserts, you misspelled desserts!
Did not. You don't deserve dessert - you deserve your deserts.
 
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Gee, I need to do some psycho-analysis on "Pygmalion problem"... Of course, I knew the story, i read it on Google when searching for Shaw... Kidding. I knew before, but unconsciously rejected this information... It must symbolize something. Need to do more deep thinking.
 
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Pygmalion - In Greek mythology, a king of Cyprus who fell in love with a statue of Aphrodite. The goddess took pity on him and brought the statue to life, and he married her. In some versions of the myth Pygmalion was a sculptor who carved the statue himself because he was disgusted with the faults of ordinary women, and when it was brought to life he gave it the name Galatea.
So Professor Higgins is actually Pygmalion.
 
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