Is WORA dead?

[Tim Uckun]

Everybody seems to agree that Java is here to stay on the server. On the client however things are not so sure. Almost every has given up on the applet. IMHO the applet is the most promising thing about java and that which originally attracted me to Java in the first place.
When I was emailing Paul about this he said a class loader is a better solution and he is probably right but don't you have the same problem about the JVM? Surely you can't rely on the same JVM everywhere.
I will reiterate. Is WORA dead? Has sun given up on the applet? Has the Java community?

[paul wheaton]

As for applications and the JVM - You start off with an install program that uses the same JVM for everyone.

[Tim Uckun]

How big an install is that? The plug in is about 6 megs

[paul wheaton]

Dunno. Six megs sounds about right.
I guess it depends on your audience. If you are looking at general web users, go with good HTML served up by servlets. If you have a fixed audience that is required to use your software, you can require them to download damn near anything you want.

[Michael Finney]

No. It's not dead.

[Tim Uckun]

The best example of a java applet I have ever seen the netscape javascript debugger. This thing is just awsome!. If you do any web developement at all you owe it to yourself to check it out. http://developer.netscape.com/software/tools/index.html?content=/software/jsdebug.html
The best example of server side java is at http://www.msgto.com I really dig msgto and the concepts behind it pure genious.
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[This message has been edited by Tim Uckun (edited September 14, 1999).]