A clone is no different than an identical twin. Anyone who thinks they can achieve immortality through cloning doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.Originally posted by Don Liu:
Maybe. There is also clone now. But even you can clone an exactly same "you", you guys still have different souls. It is like two standalone PCs, you need to network your soul back and forth.
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
So what is the meaning of life?
Pounding at a thick stone wall won't move it, sometimes, you need to step back to see the way around.
Originally posted by Eager Beaver:
How much of your early childhood can you recollect? Going by your assumption that belief in past-life should be corroborated by mental images of that period....you never lived as an infant....which is absurd.
Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
What makes you think there is a meaning to life?
The real question should be "Is there a meaning to life?"
I don't assume everything has meaning. But if life had meaning it would be 42
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Some people do have seemingly veriable memories of past lives...
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Originally posted by herb slocomb:
"Verifiable" as in 6 old children in rural India being able to go to villages they have never been to before and then being able to identify houses and people they have never seen before.
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Yes, and they have thoroughly debunked his research over and over again. Unfortunately, people believe the nonsense and ignore the truth. Take a look at this book for a good expose of your "reputable source".Originally posted by herb slocomb:
The cases of reincarnation I was thinking of came from a more reputable source than the Weekly World News. Ian Stevenson, the respected Carlson Professor of Psychiatry and Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the Health Sciences Center, University of Virginia, wrote a book that has stood the test of time for over 40 years. It was called Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation. 40 years is more than enough time to expose fraud. Since this book is quite famous
among supporters of reincarnation, the debunkers are well aware of it also.
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As is well known, hypnotists can place suggestions into peoples minds so they can "recall" things that are not tru. The hypnotists, especially if they are strong supporters of reincarnation, can do this without even realizing it. It is only when viewing videotapes of the sessions that it becomes obvious where the information on the supposed past lives is really coming from.Originally posted by herb slocomb:
But besides those well researched and documented cases, we have more recent examples of those doctors who use hypnosis and past life therapy. There was a famous one with a best seller a few years ago,but I can't remember his name now.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
As is well known, hypnotists can place suggestions into peoples minds so they can "recall" things that are not tru.
Because you misread it... it says that he gets credit for professionalism and integrity but NOT his methodology. The fact that the book got bad reviews on amazon is because he attacks their closely held beliefs, I doubt that mosst of the reviewers even read it. Here's a review of the book from the Skeptical Inquirer:Originally posted by herb slocomb:
"Only Dr. Ian Stevenson, who has investigated the subject since the early 1970s, gets credit for professionalism and integrity, if not flawless methodology."
That hardly sounds like debunking of Stevenson to me...
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Again, how is it possible to KNOW that neither the hypnotist nor the person they are hypnotizing could have known something? Were they both raised in sound proofed rooms so that everything they ever heard could be closely guarded?Originally posted by herb slocomb:
I'm well aware of how hypnotists can implant memories, but what if the person comes up with info that neither the hypnostist nor the hypnotized could know about?
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The fact that we can't prove fraud is not proof. In fact, there is every reason to suspect every claim of past memory as being fraudelent. We must reject extraordinary claims until extraordinary proof is found.Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Absolute proof may be hard to come by, but there are other degrees of proof that reasonable, open minded people can accept. If there is no reason to suspect every claim of past memory as being fraudulent, then why must reasonable people reject all claims where fraud cannot absolutely be proven not to exist?
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Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Thomas Paul,
I'm following your links but they lead no where. For the first link, I cut and pasted exactly what was on the first page of your linked page and it included the word "methodology"; its not anything I misread. I found nothing anywhere to discredit Ian Stevenson. I went to the second link you gave and I don't even see Stevenson's name mentioned.
Please, just give us the gist of the argument against Stevenson if you can.
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The evidence, such as it is, is exhaustively examined by Edwards. Much of it comes from seemingly credible witnesses who claim to have seen the projected "astral bodies" of others at the time of the latter's death, or from children who seem remarkably precocious, or who "remember" people, places or events that they seem unlikely to have known about if they had not actually experienced them in a previous life. Edwards shows that the empirical evidence, like the supporting arguments put forth by past-life explorers such as Elizabeth K�bler-Ross, Stanislav Grof, Raymond Moody, and Ian Stevenson are far less compelling than the tabloid headlines would have you believe. As with most anecdotal evidence of this sort, examination reveals that tales retold by the faithful have a way of becoming tidier and more convincing as they pass from mouth to mouth.
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
even I feel I can live forever right now.