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Calories vs. Fat

 
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I have just started realizing that being slim is not something that can be taken for granted.
Till date never cared to read the "small print" on the tins/food stuffs..yeah, to see the number of calories and what not! Suddenly, realized obesity is too fair, shows no discretion of the previous "health history"! Trying to say that being a slim person till date, never had the fear that i will be falling a victim to obesity!
So, the issue forces me to figure out what is "meant" by "calorie - 10gms" etc. and what is meant by "fat - 2 gms". And to figure out which are more likely to get us obesity - carbonated drinks, oil, candy, ice-creams...???
I believe it is the fat which plays a major role in the obesity thing...but then why do people who work out always turn the tins upside down, before eating food from them?? To read the calories?? Are calories "dangerous" or "fat"??
Never felt like i asked a much basic doubt in "health science"!
 
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Here is a link that you might find informative.
How Calories Work
Ashok.
 
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A certain percentage of fat in the diet is essential for optimal health. However, all types of fat are not the same, and recently hydrogenated fats or oils have been discovered to be very harmful. Unfortunately, hydrogenated fats are in almost everything. Saturated fats can cause problems also in the typical diet. Saturated fats are most common in animal foods. The Omega-3 fats found in salmon, and in tuna to a much lesser degree, have recently been found to actually help prevent heart disease.
Excessive fat can be dangerous under certain conditions, unfortunately those conditions are common. Its a well known fact that a high carbohydrate diet increases insulin output which stimulates fat storage within the body. Excessive insulin levels also cause numerous health problems. For further info see the latest nutritional books by medical doctors which advocate restricting carbohydrates (Zone diet, Protein power, Dr. Adkins, Sugar Busters, etc).
Basically, natural non hydrogenated fat at a reasonable level of less than 30% of total calories is OK with restricted carbohydrate level.
But as mentioned in the previous post's link, you really have to reduce calories to lose weight. The mistake people make is thinking that by reducing fat intake that they will automatically lose weight or be healthier. You can gain plenty of fat on a no fat diet (rice - a favorite of Sumo wrestlers).
 
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Ashok,
Thanks a lot for the link. It is very informative. Googling overwhelmed me with too much of info and that is the reason why i had to post the concern here.
"Herb Slocomb,"
Thanks. Had an idea about the little chemical equation where carbohydrates break down into sugars and lipids (fat) but never knew the quantity of fats thus produced are substantial
enough to be dangerous.
I still have a concern here. The problem is not of over-weight but of being slim and simultaneously growing obese! No substantial increase in weight...just a devastating change in the so called "figure".

Originally posted by <Herb Slocomb>:
A certain percentage of fat in the diet is essential for optimal health. However, all types of fat are not the same, and recently hydrogenated fats or oils have been discovered to be very harmful. Unfortunately, hydrogenated fats are in almost everything. Saturated fats can cause problems also in the typical diet. Saturated fats are most common in animal foods. The Omega-3 fats found in salmon, and in tuna to a much lesser degree, have recently been found to actually help prevent heart disease.
Excessive fat can be dangerous under certain conditions, unfortunately those conditions are common. Its a well known fact that a high carbohydrate diet increases insulin output which stimulates fat storage within the body. Excessive insulin levels also cause numerous health problems. For further info see the latest nutritional books by medical doctors which advocate restricting carbohydrates (Zone diet, Protein power, Dr. Adkins, Sugar Busters, etc).
Basically, natural non hydrogenated fat at a reasonable level of less than 30% of total calories is OK with restricted carbohydrate level.
But as mentioned in the previous post's link, you really have to reduce calories to lose weight. The mistake people make is thinking that by reducing fat intake that they will automatically lose weight or be healthier. You can gain plenty of fat on a no fat diet (rice - a favorite of Sumo wrestlers).


[ April 12, 2002: Message edited by: Malini ]
 
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Which means that your metabolism is slowing down . . . <sigh>
So either eat less - or excersize more.
 
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Well,maybe you already know this,but anyway - you always can roughly calculate the calories in any product,using this as a guideline 1 gram of proteins or carbohydrates contains about 4 kcal and one gram of fat is about 9 kcal.
and to achieve the best results, be sure to eat in relatively small portions,but frequently - say 6 to 8 times a day.
 
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i believe the only "cure" is exercise. im too thin myself and yet my figure is nothing like it was when i was young and im too lazy to do anything about it
6'0" 135# but my belly is no longer flat and hard
 
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Thanks Cindy and Greg.
Yeah Randall! Almost the same stats, reduced by a constant factor, here! 5'4" and 100+ lbs. And have recently started wondering how very "unsynonymous" abdomen and tummy are!
Hmmm...hope i will go for the suggested cure!

Originally posted by Randall Twede:
i believe the only "cure" is exercise. im too thin myself and yet my figure is nothing like it was when i was young and im too lazy to do anything about it
6'0" 135# but my belly is no longer flat and hard


 
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I agree with Randall and others. Exercise is THE solution to keep you in shape.
Look at my case. I was 87 Kgs (190 lbs) last September, and I thought its pretty heavy for my 182cm (~6 feet) frame. I started working out in the local gym. Contrary to what I imagined, hours spend at gym was surprisingly enjoyable, soon I started to do as much as 4 or 5 visits every week, 2 to 2.5 hrs every visit.
But, I could not really give up any of my eating habits though!
Now, after 7 months of regular workout, I have lost only 3 kilos! Its slightly embarrassing. But I have managed to reduce body fat from a couch-potato-type 21% to average, healthy 16%!! I guess I should be happy for that - and more over this process has really improved my posture, confidence etc..
A couple of properly planned workout sessions per week is highly recommended to anyone who visit Javaranch!
Ashok.
PS: Pumping all that iron has a slight side effect though � My keeeeeyboard is tota11y wrecked.
 
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What are you people made of, feathers? Go look at my picture on the Contact page and tell me how much you think I weigh.
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
What are you people made of, feathers? Go look at my picture on the Contact page and tell me how much you think I weigh.


I agree with you.
Here are some arguements for being fat.
1. Being fat means you enjoy life's pleasures. Hence you are a good guy to be with ! 2. The human brain is nothing but a big ball of fat. More fat you have there, more intelligent you are !!!
3. You can live on a diet of vegetables ... but be prepared to live like one !!!
4. However a little exercise won't harm!
[ April 15, 2002: Message edited by: Shubhrajit Chatterjee ]
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
What are you people made of, feathers? Go look at my picture on the Contact page and tell me how much you think I weigh.


hmmmm. . . . I guess 190 pounds of solid muscle .
(And no - I don't pronounce it mus-kel - more like musil)
 
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But it should be pronounced mus-kel,no?
Are you training Michael?
 
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:

hmmmm. . . . I guess 190 pounds of solid muscle .
(And no - I don't pronounce it mus-kel - more like musil)


Yow -- you used to work the carnival circuit, Cindy? People who guess in person are always shocked; the usual guess is 170-175.
Younes -- nope, no particular training plan. These days it's walking, tai chi, kid wrasslin', and moving boxes of computer stuff now and then. There's good day-laborer blood in the genes from both sides of the family.
[ April 15, 2002: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]
 
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I recommend Ashtanga yoga. This is an intense and vigorous workout - gives strength, flexibility and balance - and makes your mind calm and pleased. And yes, it burns fat too
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
What are you people made of, feathers? Go look at my picture on the Contact page and tell me how much you think I weigh.


I'll bet nobody will get my weight right!!
 
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Originally posted by Angela Poynton:

I'll bet nobody will get my weight right!!


80 Kgs? (~175 lbs or 12.5 stones)
 
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