Things getting heavy in Sun's forums...

[Jim Petersen]

http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=31&thread=243200

[Gregg Bolinger]

That forum was very interesting. The person who posted the original argument has a valid point. However, I think the way in which he/she griped, whined, and moaned was very unprofessional. I am very glad that we have the most professional and intellegent Sherrifs, Bartenders, and Moderators here at Javaranch!!
[ April 22, 2002: Message edited by: Gregg Bolinger ]

[Randall Twede]

gregg,
obviously you have never read any of my posts regarding netscape
waaaa
on a serious note. i have found people wanting you to do their homework are pretty easy to spot. i might post a link for them but i wont do their homework. as for plagerism. i guess im guilty of that. i "steal" and modify code to fit my purpose all the time. if it is freely copyable, that is considered "fair use" and not illegal. if someone doesnt want their code to be reused they can prevent it. personally, i share my code all the time. i dont care what they do with it. im not making any money off it anyway
[ April 22, 2002: Message edited by: Randall Twede ]

[Jim Petersen]

Originally posted by Randall Twede:
i have found people wanting you to do their homework are pretty easy to spot... [ April 22, 2002: Message edited by: Randall Twede ]

Agreed, you don't have to answer every question such and I can see how people get frustrated when someone asks a 'dumb question' such as "URGENT!!!tell me how do I set my classpath on XYZ platform"
I think posting questions to a forum are like your last roll of the dice, once you've checked every possible avenue (reading the API etc) plus if you ask too many silly questions you'll be ignored after a while...
I suppose this highlights the patience of most of those around here compared to Sun's forum

[Thomas Paul]

When I was moderator of "scokets and internet protocols" I used to see questions like, "I need to write a chat server. Can someone give me the code." You know that this person is just too lazy to do their homework.

[Randall Twede]

just to clarify what i said about plagerism, if you see java source code on a page, the person is deliberately sharing it and doesnt care what you do with it. you can hide the details of your javascript or html if it is important to you so i concider that fair game too.
homework questions are easy to spot cause they will say stuff like, i have to do it a certain way or it has to look like this.
campus is such a pleasant environment. maybe i will stay in school till im 65

[Jim Petersen]

How about .class files for applets especially those news scrollers out there for sale - when youv'e got a decompiler? Thats breaking the law I 'spose, but I'm just nosey and want to know how someone did something...

[Jessica Sant]

Originally posted by Randall Twede:
just to clarify what i said about plagerism, if you see java source code on a page, the person is deliberately sharing it and doesnt care what you do with it.

Every time I post code onto JavaRanch I first think about what I'm posting.. making sure its ok I make it "public knowledge"... if the code is something copyrighted or what not, it should have a big comment in the beginning stating that.
also, I agree -- homework assignment questions are easy to spot, but on the other hand teacher's should be aware of resources like ours and sun's and run quick searches for the code if they suspect copying.

[Randall Twede]

i wouldnt use a decompiler to steal someones work i would email them and ask if they will send me the code. ive gotten requests like that and shared. if not i at least know it can be done so i would try to figure it out myself.
the only thing ive created that i would be upset if someone used it is my new annimated gif because i plan for it to be a trademark.

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Jim Petersen:

"URGENT!!!tell me how do I set my classpath on XYZ platform"

I do not think that is a HOME WORK. as it simply says that this guy is beginner and does not know how to do this on xyz platform.
some times lack of time also prompts you to ask such question.
Home work question are different.
There problem is not general, that is specific.
Code will have all bullshit apart from real problem.
I do not know more how to classify Home work questions.
But the above one is certainly not a "home work" (in my opinion)

[Jim Petersen]

Good point about the class path - Not a very good homework example I should also remember how it took me an age to get Java going on my machine as well!

[Sameer Jamal]

Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
I am very glad that we have the most professional and intellegent Sherrifs, Bartenders, Moderators here at Javaranch!!
[ April 22, 2002: Message edited by: Gregg Bolinger ]

and ranch hands also

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:

and ranch hands also

They(ranch hands) only become these big shots

[Paul Stevens]

OK, let's break up the love fest and move along

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
I am very glad that we have the most professional and intellegent Sherrifs, Bartenders, and Moderators here at Javaranch!!
[ April 22, 2002: Message edited by: Gregg Bolinger ]

Dude, whipe your nose, it is all brown.