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Star Wars Episode 2

 
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To all those folks in time zones after me (The Americas)... Im gonna see Star Wars II before you!(*)
Im going to see it at 12.05am GMT 16th May.
Nyeh! Nyeh!
Mark

(*) Well it makes a difference from the racist threads that used to float about on this forum.
 
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I'm going to see it 2015 BST!!!
AGES after you but I couldn't get the bloody day off!!
 
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I've already seen it on my computer
 
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I saw it before it was made. :roll:
 
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Let's make some controversy!
I'm not going to see it. I've only seen one of the Star Wars movies beginning to end, and honestly, I didn't particularly like it or see what all the fuss was about.
 
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I didn't like it either, but I am also going in tonight, 00:02 GMT of 16th May (tonight) at the local movie hall.
Ashok.
 
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Bl**dy Star Trek Fan!
Oops.
Quick Bartenders, block this thread before it devolves into "Star Trek vs Star Wars: Star Trek fans are the disciples of evil!"
 
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I am going on Sunday, so I get to see it after all of you. I won't have to deal with all the Star Trek geeks that don't realize that this isn't another Star Trek movie.
 
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New moderators - beware the wrath of Mapraputa.


Wrath of Mapraputa? I always thought the fourth one "The Voyage Home" was the best of the lot.

Ho ho ho!

Sorry I'll get me coat shall I?
 
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I've seen it! The confrontation scene between Master Yoda and Count Dooku is the best ever action scene in "Star Wars" history.
 
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Originally posted by Mark Fletcher:

Wrath of Mapraputa? I always thought the fourth one "The Voyage Home" was the best of the lot.



I agree. The wrath of Mapraputa is xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx.
* ducks for cover before Map reads this *

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And I thought opening weekend for Star Wars would be prime time to see Spiderman!
 
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Originally posted by Corey McGlone:
And I thought opening weekend for Star Wars would be prime time to see Spiderman!


I may see that this weekend as well.
 
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I always thought the fourth one "The Voyage Home" was the best of the lot.
I think it's the best on initial viewing, but loses a lot of lustre subsequently. But as long as you stick to the even numbers, they're pretty good. (This includes "First Contact" at 8, with lesser movies before and after.)
I agree. The wrath of Mapraputa is highly overrated.
* ducks for cover before Map reads this *

Uh oh - now you have to worry about Mapraputa's Revenge.
Quick Bartenders, block this thread before it devolves into "Star Trek vs Star Wars: Star Trek fans are the disciples of evil!"
So you're saying I shouldn't post a link to David Brin's Salon article from a few years ago (in case anyone missed it)?
Oops, how careless of me.
Let's make some controversy!
I'm not going to see it. I've only seen one of the Star Wars movies beginning to end, and honestly, I didn't particularly like it or see what all the fuss was about.

Depends. If you're talking about the last one, you're not being all that controversial. Or the third - its main virtue is the payoff from events of the first two; if you hadn't seen them, it's not the same. Also relevant - how old were you when you saw whichever one you saw? And do you like SF action/adventure type movies in general? We need some refernce points before you can create a controversy here.
Myself, after the general letdown of the last one I'm intentionally restraining myself from rushing out to see this one. Since I still haven't seen Spider-Man, I'll probably go for that first.
OK, I say that now - but in a few hours I'll probably have broken down and gotten myself tickets for the earliest showing available.
 
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David Brin has it exactly right. How can we forgive Darth Vader at the end of the series when he is guilty of so much murder? Because he had a tough childhood? What a crock!
Episode I is the perfect description of the series. Absolutely no thoughtful plot... just a bunch of "gee-whiz" special effects. I'd rather go see "Lord of the Rings" again.
 
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I'd rather go see "Lord of the Rings" again.


I would too, I can't wait for the next Lord release.
However if they would make a Star Wars as good as the original or Empire then I would go to that instead.
Mark
 
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Originally posted by Michael Matola:
Let's make some controversy!
I'm not going to see it. I've only seen one of the Star Wars movies beginning to end, and honestly, I didn't particularly like it or see what all the fuss was about.


You can't just see one of them! If it was Episode IV, of course it was terrible -- it was just revolutionary special effects in a movie for kids. If it was Return of the Jedi -- what is there not to like? Seeing Episode I or V without any of the others wouldn't make sense of course.
To see only one Star Wars is like only learning java 1.2 -- it can't stand on it's own. It's part of an evolving, complex system. Go buy them all. Now!
*tries to use Jedi mind control*
 
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When Anakin Skywalker is in the act of fertilising the princess eggs, can we have Sharon Stone to do a double take along the line of Basic Instinct......
 
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And I dunno how many times has has to attempt to extract the liquid out before he finds that the count is just right for the works.......
 
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another "Rocky Balboa" movie :roll:
 
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Originally posted by David Weitzman:
If it was Return of the Jedi -- what is there not to like?

Ewoks! And the most sacharrine ending of a movie ever. That last scene with Yoda, Obi-wan and Darth smiling by the fire made me want to barf.
 
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Me:
I'm not going to see it. I've only seen one of the Star Wars movies beginning to end, and honestly, I didn't particularly like it or see what all the fuss was about.

Jim:
Depends. If you're talking about the last one, you're not being all that controversial. Or the third - its main virtue is the payoff from events of the first two; if you hadn't seen them, it's not the same. Also relevant - how old were you when you saw whichever one you saw? And do you like SF action/adventure type movies in general? We need some refernce points before you can create a controversy here.

I had seen bits and pieces of the original trilogy and was general familiar with the story (it's fairly hard to escape). It was the original one that I sat down and watched beginning to end.
I was 21 years old at the time.
SF action/adventure movies? Hmm. My favorite SF movies would be Contact, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey. I guess there's the recurring theme of nearly present-day humans making contact with aliens. (OK, I did get wrapped up in Armaggedon, the best of the semi-recent earth-in-peril flicks.) In SF books, my tastes run towards some Arthur C. Clarke and early Ursula LeGuin.
Since I still haven't seen Spider-Man, I'll probably go for that first.
I think Spider-Man is worth seeing (steal the opening-weekend dollars from Star Wars!), and worth seeing on the big screen, but I was generally disappointed. It wasn't a "fun" movie: it lacked joy, a spark. Better than any of the Batman movies (ok, only saw the first two), but still not great.
My main reason for going to Spider-Man was to see Tobey Maguire's acting. I think he's pretty good and it will be interesting to see his career take off. A far better display of his talent would be Wonder Boys.
For the Star Wars series fans -- if you really want to see Natalie Portman at work, see Beautiful Women. She's still a child in that performance but steals every scene she's in.
Want to see an extremely talented Russel Crowe before he was famous, see L.A. Confidential. (Also features pre-Memento Guy what's-his-name.)
Want to see Will Smith take on a real role, see Six Degrees of Separation.
 
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Originally posted by David Weitzman:
To see only one Star Wars is like only learning java 1.2 -- it can't stand on it's own. It's part of an evolving, complex system. Go buy them all. Now!
*tries to use Jedi mind control*[/QB]


It was the original I saw.
Let's see if they'd fit in with my current DVD collection (ok, some of these are my wife's):
In no particular order:
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Heathers
Chihuly Over Venice
Into the Woods
Say Anything
American Beauty
Moskva slezam ne verit (Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears)
Abre Los Ojos (Open Your Eyes)
Totally Diva (collection of Annie Lennox videos)
Contact
Brat (Brother)
The Adventures of Cheburashka & Friends (classic Soviet-era animation)
The Favor
Dave Matthwews Band: Listener Supported
Oh, got my wife Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam (Straight from the Heart) for her upcoming birthday, at her request.
And no, I'm not a "film type."
 
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"Matthew Phillips": first warning.
 
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Just saw the film: absolutely brilliant. I thought the fight between Yoda and Count Dooku was going to be stupid but I was wrong.
Worth seeing.
Cheers,
Mark
 
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Originally posted by Wrath of Mapraputa:
"Matthew Phillips": first warning.


* in a panic stricken voice *
Hey, wait a second. I thought only new moderators had to beware the wrath. I have been deceived into bringing the wrath down upon me. It is obviously the fault of new moderators conspiring against me.
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Someone should point out to "Wrath of Mapraputa" that "Wrath of Mapraputa" should follow Javaranch naming conventions.
Id do it, but then Im not a moderator
Go on, one of you moderators suggest it
 
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In MD? Get serious, man. I would rather catch SQLExceptions with my bare hands. I would rather cast my own brokenBone object. I would rather extend myNeck to theChoppingBlock!
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
David Brin has it exactly right. How can we forgive Darth Vader at the end of the series when he is guilty of so much murder? Because he had a tough childhood? What a crock!
Episode I is the perfect description of the series. Absolutely no thoughtful plot... just a bunch of "gee-whiz" special effects. I'd rather go see "Lord of the Rings" again.


Here Here!!!
I just read the Brin article and one thing that ALWAY bothered me was that Vader was 100 times worse than any Hitler and yet he's a loving , caring father in the end who's a hero to the galaxy.
What an incredible twist on our morality to try passing that one off.
Now, from what I heard, anakin's 'love' for Amidala is what will turn him to the Dark Side.
Yeesh...
(Tickets for 7:00pm show by the way. Cause those Jedi Knight clone War scene are just way too cool to pass up.)

I'm quite curious on how the coming 'clone' war will be diffrent than the robot war of the last movie. The robots were all the same and there were endless amounts of them fighting for the "Empire" (or Trade Federation)... The clones are all the same and there are endless amounts of them fighting for the Empire (or Trade Federation)....WTH?
 
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I just read the Brin article and one thing that ALWAY bothered me was that Vader was 100 times worse than any Hitler and yet he's a loving , caring father in the end who's a hero to the galaxy.
100 times worse than Hitler? Seems an overstatement to me. Vader just had better technology. And I find Palpatine a better parallel to Hitler - Vader's more of a follower. But yeah, the "redemption" Vader at the end was pretty bad. I didn't have a problem with his death scene, or the funeral pyre Luke made for him. It makes sense to recognize his good aspects as Anakin, and mourn their loss - provided we don't forget his other aspects as Vader. (And heck, as a son Luke can be forgiven a bit of wishful thinking at this point.) But the final scene of Anakin with Ben and Yoda smiling at us from Jedi heaven was just way too much. :roll: Deleting that one tiny scene would've helped the movie considerably.
Of course, that would still leave those damn annoying Ewoks. Apparently George initaally planned to have the action take place on the Wookie homeworld. But he turned to the dark side (merchandizing, of course) and transmogrified fierce Wookies into teddy-bear Ewoks. Ugh.
To be fair, there are a couple of the Ewok characters who look all right - the grizzled, mangy-looking old guys with lots of trophies from their kills. Those guys, I can respect. The rest, though, kinda make me root for the poor Imperial troops in that final battle.
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Hey, wait a second. I thought only new moderators had to beware the wrath. I have been deceived into bringing the wrath down upon me.
Ahem. As the originator of the unattributed quote in your sig, I have to say that I only mentioned the new moderators because the experienced ones were expected to already know the dangers. You'll get no sympathy here.
 
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Michael Matola-
No, see, you're not being controversial enough. Essentially you're just a perfectly reasonable person who doesn't care for that type of movie. There's not enough common ground here to have a good argument. Not about action/adventure movies like Star Wars, anyway. While it's nominally science fiction (science fantasy really), it's a rather different subgenre than the other SF films you cite. I wouldn't really expect enjoyment of one to have anything to do with enjoyment of the other.
The reason I asked about age is that I think it has a lot to do with the hold Star Wars had, and has, on me. I was 8 when I saw the first one, with sequels at 11 and 14. Definitely a good age range to get caught up in this sort of fantasy adventure. If I'd been 21 I imagine I'd still have enjoyed it, but probably not nearly as much. As it is though, those movies will always have a special hold on me for the memories they invoke, despite my increased ability to see their flaws in retrospect.
Notes on some of your other comments...
Contact - pretty good. Jodie Foster did well as usual. I was a bit put off by the ending though, as compared to the book. I thought her having a nervous breakdown in front of Congress looked pretty pathetic. And while the character in the book suffered setbacks due to the cover-up of evidence, she never abandoned her conviction that proof was possible, and worth pursuing.
I guess there's the recurring theme of nearly present-day humans making contact with aliens.
Hmmm... how'd you like Alien? Might cater to your tastes a bit more - though it's primarily a horror movie, which is a different beast altogether. But I have no great fondness for horror movies in general, yet loved Alien. So who knows?
Better than any of the Batman movies (ok, only saw the first two)
Good call. I accidentally saw the third. I probably liked the first two somewhat more than you did - but the third was so inane, I never bothered with the fourth.
Michael isn't as likely to enjoy it, but for the record, the best Batman adaptation to any sort of screen -- was Batman: The Animated Series (1992-5, not one of the earlier versions). A lot of great stuff here. Other favorite comic-book adaptations are Smallville, The Flash (1990), and the first season of Lois and Clark. Lots of fun.
Want to see an extremely talented Russel Crowe before he was famous, see L.A. Confidential. (Also features pre-Memento Guy what's-his-name.)
Guy Pearce. And a bunch of other folks as well - I assume you're just mentioning the two who were unknown at the time. I strongly recommend this as well.
Hmmm... this feels like a rather jumbled and incomplete collection of comments at the moment, but it's time for me to be off, so that'll do for now. Cheers...
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OK saw it last night ... got as excited about the Trailers as the film.
Spider Man, Die Another Day, Scooby Doo, the new Tom Cruise thingy I forgot the name of ... gonna be a fun summer!!
Anyway without giving too much away. The film was a VAST improvment on Episode 1. Although the first third of the film kind of felt like "Sense and Sensibility" in space! My only complaint, the romance couldn't have been more cliched. Other than that though the action scenes were amazing, and we had a good dose of comedy relief too from my favourite droids.
 
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Originally posted by Michael Matola:

Oh, got my wife Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam (Straight from the Heart) for her upcoming birthday, at her request.


To those of you who may be wondering, Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam is a Bollywood [ Indian movie ]
 
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Here's my review. It is not for the faint hearted.
I will have to start with the good stuff. I found the action/battle scenes to be the best of any Star Wars film yet. But that is only half the film.
I was hugely disappointed in the this movie. The acting was awful, the dialogue was atrocious, any scene with Anakin and Padme was downright the worst stuff I have ever seen in a movie and it was very painful to watch.
The story underneath this mess was good. And if it was flushed out correctly, it would have been an awesome film.
The Yoda fight, I have one word Flubber.
Now I am a huge Star Wars fan. I was 9 when I saw it at a drive in movie theater, me and my friend Brad had beach chairs sitting outside the car with the speaker right next to us. So I remember that time vividly still. I liked all three of the first films. I even had some like of Phantom Menace. And I would say That Ep II is a little better than Menace, but I am more disappointed in it, and would rather see Phantom Menace again, whereas, I never want to see this one again.
I came into the film with no expectations at all.
OK I harshed it enough.
Mark
 
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I couldn't be bothered starting a thread for this alone, so....
There was comment in the news about pirate copies of Episode 2 flooding Australia, they referred to it as "The Attack of The Attack of the Clones Clones"
 
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lol
 
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I really liked this movie. I liked it even better that the original Star Wars and Return of the Jedi. I can't say that I like it more that The Empire Strikes Back, but I will have to see both again to make the determination.
 
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What is this Empire thing that everyone has going? I can't believe how many people say that Empire is their favorite film! I loved episode IV like a brother. Now I have a new favorite.
I yelled out loud involuntarily when I saw what Yoda could do. I wish that I could show you all the look on the faces of my two oldest sons when they saw Anakin fighting Dooku with two lightsabers.
Just like critics though, Benny told me, "EEEEEWWWWW! They kissed on the lips!"
 
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When I was younger, I didn't like Empire very much. It was just a transitional piece to my then favorite, Return of the Jedi.
As an adult, it just seems more mature than the others. I almost can't watch Star Wars anymore because the dialog seems unnatural to me. Return is more of a playful movie with the whole Ewok thing going. Empire comes across more about the struggle against tyranny than the others.
 
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