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Did anyone read Gleick's Chaos? Astounding book. I knew the names of people quoted in the book, I've been studying them theories in college. Ironically, I never realized before WHAT I was studying. Up until now.
7 years since I moved to this country, stopped studying math and started programming. What a waste.
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Sure, great book. Some equations would've been nice along the way, but I guess that would've limited readership.
Ironically, I never realized before WHAT I was studying. Up until now.
So what did you think you were studying? In the US, chaos was the trendy new thing, so lots of folks took pains to show how their work could be connected to it, and it was hard to avoid hearing about it in academia. :roll: Of course, once Jeff Goldblum's character started going on about it in Jurassic Park, it was deemed passé, and people were able to move on.
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I remember something from "Jurrasic Park"..
if you recollect, the team to the park had a PhD. on Chaos Theory.. Dr. Ian Malcomb..
in one instance he says..
"If a drop of water is falling on the tip of your nose.. there is an equal probability that it will not.. due to the changes in the environment around the drop and you."
Thus he says that nothing can be predicted in the real world.. nothing @ all.. Even for softwares or programs for that matter.. we cannot ever predict that a software running perfectly now will run the same way in the future..
I also remember coming across an article which talked about programming in the real world.. i.e. considering most of the variables that the software can expect to change.. other than its own system and modifying its own self to suit the surrounding environment..
Futuristic yeah. but not impossible..
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:

So what did you think you were studying?


Well, Soviet Union was always very strong in Math. The discipline was originally called Functional Analysis, and it had its superstars: Kholmogorov, Landau, etc... There's this another, less known Moscowite Egorov, who brought in Soviet version of the Theory of Generalized Functions (also called Non-Standard Analysis. In these days, we always had Soviet version and American/European version). It was trendy, it was new, and it felt right on the path with what other big names where doing in US. Unfortunately, we didn't call it Chaos, and we didn't have computers strong enough to display these astounding images. And we didn't have books and seminars that would popularise it and explain how theories would apply to real life. Without all this, I as undegraduate student was sort of bored with it.
We had a group, 6 of us, studying it in Belorussian State University in Minsk, Belarus. 3 who stayed are now PhDs "under 30".
Some formulas would be nice, I agree.
As far as programmingis concerned, I am a believer that we would have to convert all people to programmers before we would be able to create systems even loosely approximating the complexity of a drop of water falling...
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:

If you do not understand some equation, just skip it.


I personally prefer books with pictures only
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So, gentlemen, Chaos is now passe? What happened (besides Jurassic Park story)?
I am sure we could come up with a way of relating Map to Chaos...
Shura
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I m unsure about relating Map with Chaos..
but I sure can say that MATH without equations is crap..
and ofcourse.. if the audience to a math presentation reduces by each equation.. I really pity those guys..
theres much to an equation.. there are a lotta stuff that each euqation can convey very crisply..
Ofcourse, Russians have been good @ math... I must mention that it was Aryabatta, who discovered/coined ZERO.. without which math wud be incomplete..
 
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Map, are you referring to school grade 5+? Was it your grade in school? I am sure you must've been abused by classmates to become this smart...
To unsuspecting observer: Russia uses "digital" shool grading system (2 for Fail, 5 for Excellent) verus American Letter system. So 5+ would stand for A+....
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
But we recently discovered a new, unknown before number! It lies between 5 and 6, and our scientists are currently working to figure more precise location.


are you serious?? if yeah then can you give more tips on the same.. or a clue to where I can find more info..
if u arent serious... Well, you got me fooled!!
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Regds
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well I just came across the quote in "http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/11/msg00411.html"..
Wow, thats news!!
Tanx for the tip Map!!
well I really wasnt kidding back there..
 
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"The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Map, you know what seems odd to me? Numbers that aren't divisible by two.
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Anyone wants to bet some money? Here's a game:
On the count of "three", we show numbers on fingers. Then we multiply the number you show and the number I show. If the product is odd, you win. If the product is even, I win.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
"It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered recently is four times bigger than the previous record."


CNN went on to report that the old record holder is claiming that the new number isn't really as prime as the old record holder and only won because the judges liked the way the new number looked in the swimsuit competition.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:

CNN went on to report that the old record holder is claiming that the new number isn't really as prime as the old record holder and only won because the judges liked the way the new number looked in the swimsuit competition.


Is it safe to assume then that the new number is female?
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:

Is it safe to assume then that the new number is female?
Shura


As in, "She's quite a number!"
 
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Ok Shura, but I am adding 1 rule. You can only hold up 1 finger.
 
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And it is not the middle, right?
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Shura- well, that's the one I was planning to use.
Paul- I dunno, the way it's phrased right now I'd still bet on Shura.
 
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