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they deny it but i have downloaded thousands of songs with no problem till recently. they blame the file sharing software. yeah right. i tried reinstalling both. same problem. i tried closing all unnecessary programs...no help

they lie...they are trying to stop file shareing. i get to 99% amd AOL freezes up
you should probly decide now...is file sharing ok or should it be illegal?

personally i think file sharing is ok because i wont buy the CD anyway...they are lucky i want to listen to it
i told them my feelings....they can kiss my ass if they think i will pay $28/mo and i cant download songs
[ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: Randall Twede ]
[ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: Randall Twede ]
 
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well they can stop my downloads but they cant hurt my uploads....i will stay online 24/7 sharing since they wont let me get what i want....f*** them!!
(Edited by Cindy :roll: )
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I see no problem with file sharing. The mp3s that you're sharing may be mp3s that you have recorded. Why should you be stopped from sharing your own compositions with others? File sharing in itself cannot be bad. However, obviously a company like AOL, who are closely affiliated with the music industry (Time Warner?) cannot afford to be seen to be aiding and abetting copyright infringement.
The argument: Music piracy will push music prices up, making it hard for the music industry, and ultimately the consumer.
However despite that I do think that in the same way that the open source community will adapt and keep producing quality software there will always be musicians making music who want to be heard.
I think you can complain about not being able to share your files, but try not to admit sharing Warner copyrighted mp3s
 
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Maybe there is a problem with the serving software on the remote computer after all. Try downloading some different files, maybe you'll get different results.
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yes i agree with what you have all said. george i did try getting from different sources(no help). and they are just users like me. i do actually think AOL is interfering but i could be wrong,
well my opinion is i wont buy their CD's anyway but i can spread appreciation for their music....small bands like filesharing big bands dont. screw them
 
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i will fight for my right ...i believe i have a right to share files and i will fight to preserve it
 
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(if only I could remember the source)
Friends don't let friends AOL

 
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how many of you have anything you want protected anyway? maybe some do but i sure dont. all i have are some websites and most of them have at least one thing stolen from elsewhere...why do we want to destroy what is a progressive good thing?
 
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There are shops here in the Malaysian malls where you can pick up a CD full of mp3s for the equivalent of $1.50
The view of copyright here is umm.. skewed to say the least.
 
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Copyright topic can also be found here in Intellectual Property Rights thread.
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even if it is just for my piece of mind, please switch to something other than aol. besides the ads, popups, overpricing, and general nuisance of aol software crashes, aol will also interfere with your network. they install a "wan adapter" on your machine to work with their network, which takes every packet it finds (including things addressed to 192.168.*, 10.*, etc) and flings them off to the aol servers. when i tried to explain this to the aol customer service, the reply was... "uhh, are you sure?? it should do that..."
as for copyrights and file trading, i am all for filesharing programs, open source, and free software and music. on the other hand, if you made your living by selling your java programs and someone started giving them away for free, wouldn't you be a little upset? i think it is the right of the inventor as to what is done with the invention.
 
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jon,
AOL is my only available isp right now mainly because my credit is shot. i agree with you about intellectual property rights. the internet has changed everything. im not sure how, but i am sure we will find some solution. one thing is certain. the US goverment is totally incapable of doing it with these new laws they are coming up with. all they do is help the people who bought the politicians
 
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personally i think file sharing is ok because i wont buy the CD anyway...they are lucky i want to listen to it


Randall?
Hello?
Here are some equally ridiculous parallel statements...
...offered as justification for stealing a car:
"I'm not going to buy a Lamborghini anyway - they should just be glad I want to drive one!"
...offered as justification for stealing groceries:
"$4.00 for hot dogs!? I'll just take the five-fingered discount on these, thanks. They should just be glad I want to eat them!"
...offered as justification for pirating software you've written:
"Yeah, like I'm gonna pay for this. Randall should just be glad I want to use it! (he's probably filthy rich anyway.)"
I'll bet you don't steal cars or groceries. Why do you make an exception for music? Because it's easy and you're not likely to get caught? Maybe because you think intellectual property has no real value - you didn't steal anything material? The same is true of the software most of us make a living writing. Obviously, we can make a living doing this because most of our users pay for the product rather than stealing it.
I'm suspect this has been thoroughly covered in the Intellectual Property thread mentioned above, which I haven't read... but I had to say something.
Peter <--- not trying to piss anyone off... but, come on, man!
 
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Originally posted by Randall Twede:
i will fight for my right ...i believe i have a right to share files and i will fight to preserve it


Do you also think that you have the right to photocopy a book and give it to everyone you know? Did you know that Stephen Foster, one of the greatest American songwriters, died penniless because the US didn't have enforceable copyright laws?
 
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my point is noone is being harmed by me getting free songs from the internet. if that wasnt possible i would just listen to the radio or watch mtv not buy CD's
i also know people who download songs and if they like them they buy the CD
i would pay to see a band i like live though. my guess is they make more from that and t-shirts and stuff than they do from CD sales. CD sales profit goes to the greedy Capitalists
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I don't think it is so much a problem of file sharing as it is a bandwidth issue. Someone downloading and uploading files all day and all night really pings out the servers and uses a ton of bandwidth. In fact, most ISP's won't let you run a Server (dedicated for games like Unreal Tournement, etc) using thier bandwidth for the very same reason.
As far as my opinion of file sharing, I think it is 100% illegal to share copywrited material with other individuals that is not yours.
With that being said, I love to do it.
 
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When a radio station plays a copyrighted song, they pay a royalty to the recording company. Then they get companies to give them money for advertising knowing that people will listen to the paid for music and hear the advertising at the same time.
Same with MTV.
You download unauthorized music, the musician, recording company, distribution co etc gets shafted.
Just because you CAN do it, does not mean that it is RIGHT to do it.
 
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i see a big difference between download mp3's and copying CD's and selling them as the real thing. that is the real problem. and these new laws wont stop that at all.
 
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my point is noone is being harmed by me getting free songs from the internet.


I may not be physically harmed when someone pirates my software, but I am financially harmed. Whether or not they go on to sell that pirated software to others is only a matter of degree.
I've read a particular story a number of times, and have seen it attributed to any number of different people, so I have no idea who deserves credit:
"Once upon a time, a man said to a woman, 'Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?' She said, 'Yes, I would.' He said, 'Would you sleep with me for $20?' She said, 'Of course not! What kind of woman do you think I am?' He said, 'We've already established that. Now we're merely haggling over the price.'"
I don't include that to change the topic, but only to illustrate my point that stealing music for personal use only versus stealing it and selling copies is only a matter of degree.
Secondly, Randall, you argue that you wouldn't have bought the CD anyway. That's fine! That's supposed to be one of your options! You need to consider how badly you want the CD, balance that against the cost, and make a decision whether or not to buy it. If theft is justifiable in cases where you don't like the music enough to spend $16 on it, then why not always steal the CD? Is it that you think the performer's royalties are merely some sort of gratuity - a tip - which is for you to decide to pay or not pay?
And by the way, how do you know you would never buy the CD? Certainly if you've stolen it, you'll never again even consider buying it - your desire to own the CD, however small, has been satisfied. Let's pretend, though, that you hadn't stolen it. After a few weeks, one or two new tracks from the disk are released for radio play. You like them. Your desire grows, and along with it, your willingness to pay a higher price to obtain it. Just then, you notice a Best Buy ad in the paper - the CD is on sale for $11.99. Desire for the CD and cost have intersected, you make a legal purchase, you're happy with the deal you got, and the performer, their agent, their studio, their producer, Best Buy, etc, all earned their share in the deal. That's how it's supposed to work!
There's more that can be said, but it's dinner time!
Later everyone.
Peter
 
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