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Personality Test

 
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Here's a simple personality test, you have to answer truthfuly and quickly, then think about it a little an explain your answers. Don't change your answers after thinking!
1. If a tree falls down in the woods and no one is around to hear it - does it make a sound?
2. When you are leaving empty corporate office lot around 10pm, and you come to a stop sign, do you actually stop?
 
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When you are leaving a full corporate office lot around 3 pm, and you come to a stop sign, do you actually stop?

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The questions are inadequately qualified.
If the tree falls, it makes a noise, because that is air vibrating. It does not make a sound unless it is perceived by something resembling a ear, because that is what the word "sound" means. However the question does not specify that there is no living organism with hearing apparatus in the vicinity.
When leaving a parking lot at any time of day, and coming to a stop sign, the response is dependant on the proximity of law enforcement officials.
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Wow, what a really weird experience...
I was leaving our corporate parking lot last night at about 10pm and a tree fell out of the sky and crushed the stop sign and I didn't hear anything...
 
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:

If the tree falls, it makes a noise, because that is air vibrating. It does not make a sound unless it is perceived by something resembling a ear, because that is what the word "sound" means. However the question does not specify that there is no living organism with hearing apparatus in the vicinity.


Actually, in this context I don't see a difference between a sound or a noise. In fact, it's very subjective - sound to a teenager can be noise to an adult.
If a tree falls in a forest and there is no "ear" around, human or otherwise, then no sound is created. The falling tree will cause an area of higher pressure to be created, and this pressure wave will travel through the air as a compression wave, and air molecules will be affected by this wave and vibrate accordingly, but there is no sound, or noise, or anything else that requires an "ear" to interpret as information.
 
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Oh, and I always stop at stop signs. Even at 2:30am in an empty parking lot.
 
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1 - Yes. There are multiple definitions of "sound". Some require a listener; others do not. I find it much more practical - particularly for this question - to use the latter.
2 - Usually.
 
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In NY, stop signs on private property are not enforced by the police. But I would probably stop if a cop was nearby.
 
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Interesting exercise. My answers:
1. Maybe
2. Not very likely
A person has to "turn on" logic and think does a tree make a sound (noise)? What is the reason behind sound? Should it be or does logic suggest otherwise? When forced with a stop sign problem, the logic sleeps, and generated instinct kicks in telling a person to obey. Shouldn't logic be turned on here too? Why is this stop sign here? Does it make sense for it to be (in that point and time)? Does a tree make a sound falling on top of it? (damn, Dave!)
I've heard a complaint from one russian lady yesterday, she said that her husband (born and raised american) would stop at stop signs religiously, and she found it stupid (sorry, that was her exact words). Then I thought that 9 out of 10 russians would probably fly right by it...
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1. yes
2. yes...sort of...california stop...but i do that fairly often.
california stop means slow down so it looks like you stopped, but dont quite stop so you dont have to shift into first gear.
a better question might have been "if in the middle of the night there is noone around would you wait for a red light?"
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
I've heard a complaint from one russian lady yesterday, she said that her husband (born and raised american) would stop at stop signs religiously, and she found it stupid (sorry, that was her exact words). Then I thought that 9 out of 10 russians would probably fly right by it...


Shura, do not you think this is exactly what's wrong with Russian people? I mean, why we, two so damn smart Soviet people are here, and not in our country, ah?
Logic doesn't explain everything here. Partly it is a rutual, a ceremony, to show that you respect rules. It's like when you go inside a house (or a Chursh for that matter) you take your hat off. Are there any rational reasons to? No. Just a ritual.
The same with "stopping at stop signs religiously" - where is that line when your disrespect for "dumb rules" grow into disrespect for real people? I mean, in Russia drivers would never stop to let a pedestrian go, even if he/she has all rights/lights to go - made me wonder if they would just kill people and then go - big deal, ha...
 
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Originally posted by Randall Twede:
a better question might have been "if in the middle of the night there is noone around would you wait for a red light?"


Interesting distinction.
I often just slow down for Stop Signs in parking lots.
I sometimes "roll" through stop signs on public streets if there is no one else around.
Except for turning right on red -which is legal in Michigan, I NEVER NEVER NEVER go through a red light, even in the middle of the night when there is no one around for miles.
Hmmm . . . I am sure that says SOMETHING about my psychological profile - I am just not sure WHAT.
 
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Yuhoo! Finally, years of shameless self-promotion gave results, and all-powerful Map took me for equal!

Posted by Map:

where is that line when your disrespect for "dumb rules" grow into disrespect for real people?


This is a good one, very deep. On one hand, you can't make a step without affecting other people, so they will inevitably get hurt (or upset). On the other hand, you want your consiousness to let you sleep at night...Puzzles me
Cindy, that was my point, not to label anyone, but make them paranoid a little
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Hey, why do you think I did not take you for equal before?
What is it, "Mark Herschberg" syndrome? But I am not even MIT-graduated! It's he who is cocky and arrogant! He! Perhaps he is even mensa member!
 
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Uh, um.... let's throw stones at him.... actually, I am Mensa member too , but just because I wanted to prove that my education is on par with such of Mark... apparently, unsuccessful, 'cause it didn't work :roll:
"Mark Herchberg" syndrome? I don't think there's a treatment
This time zone thingy really pisses me off. When I want to talk to people on West coast, it's midnight and I am dead and need to go to bed.
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Time zones suck! I mean they really suck! Let's start anti-time-zones movement!
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"And yeah, Mark needs some education"
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Anti-time-zone movement reminds me very much of anti-tank missile... :roll: Both are pretty deadly, I guess
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If a nasty retort to your nasty post gets deleted before you have a chance to read it, did it ever get posted?
 
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Yes, it did, because moderator read it. Unless... <this part might, or might not, have been deleted by moderator>
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1. Who cares?
2. Stop signs are for the little people. Bwah hah ha.
 
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2. When you are leaving empty corporate office lot around 10pm, do you pay yourself to 11pm?
 
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
I've heard a complaint from one russian lady yesterday, she said that her husband (born and raised american) would stop at stop signs religiously, and she found it stupid (sorry, that was her exact words). Then I thought that 9 out of 10 russians would probably fly right by it...
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[ July 18, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]


Well, Well Well.. I would like to add that Ppl in Sydney also do this pretty mush religiously.. (cause I dont want to use the word stupidly.)
Back home in India.. there are stop signs.. but they dont work.. and those that work are ignored.. cause they are faulty!!

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1. Does it make a sound? Absolutely. How do I know? Well, think about this:
If my EventGenerator generates an event and there is no EventListener to handle it, was an event raised? Yep! Sound waves came off that tree, and hit the other trees (possibly causing them to drop a leaf or two from the vibrations) whether or not a creature with hearing ability heard it.
2. What's the point of this question? I don't see the connection between leaving an empty office and a stop sign.
 
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Originally posted by <Some Guy>:
Sound waves came off that tree, and hit the other trees (possibly causing them to drop a leaf or two from the vibrations) whether or not a creature with hearing ability heard it.


Well, does that mean that tress arent creatures?? or that they cant hear??!! I wonder
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Originally posted by <Some Guy>:
2. What's the point of this question? I don't see the connection between leaving an empty office and a stop sign.


It's office lot (or parking lot), meaning that there are no people, cars, or possibly cops around. see connection now?
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Originally posted by <Some Guy>:

If my EventGenerator generates an event and there is no EventListener to handle it, was an event raised? Yep!


Well, then. That's the answer. Just because an Observer wasn't around doesn't mean there was nothing to observe.
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The situation may be compared to the use of driving regulations. I (generally) stop at red traffic lights even though in some cases driving through would be patently safe -- on a clear day when there is no other vehicle around. But having a simple, universal set of rules makes life safer and easier for everyone; the price to pay is that in some cases you can't do something even though it seems to make sense.
http://www.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/joop/type.html
 
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That was him, really, I'm sure it was (???)
 
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1. If a tree falls down in the woods and no one is around to hear it - does it make a sound?

Of course it does.
2. When you are leaving empty corporate office lot around 10pm, and you come to a stop sign, do you actually stop?
Of course not. But in my case, I *can* see clearly if another car is coming
 
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