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UK Permanent Residence - have you been there?

 
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Hi everybody. I need your advice if you have been involved in trying to acquire UK permanent residence. I have now lived here in the UK since 1995 on a student visa and next July I am getting my BSc. I **do not** want to go back home (Swaziland) because of the job situation there - there are no jobs. It's not just the jobs, there are many things which are wrong with my country. Swaziland is a member of the Commonwealth. So have you been involved in a situation like mine and did you win? Do you think I stand a chance when I apply? Do you know where else I can get help? I have already looked at the immigration website and I know my rights but I'm still arming myself with more information. I know that most of you guys here are Americans but surely some of you must live in England. Besides,it's a great country and I love it!
 
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The process of applying for permanent residency can be a long one, and involve lots of waiting around in queues, but is likely to be successful if you're about to graduate. Assuming that there's nothing in your background to prompt a rejection, (criminal record, certain illnesses, wanted by The Hague), you should get it within a year.
SERIOUS ADVICE: If you are thinking of consulting one of the 'Advice Centres' that claim to specialise in getting people granted permanent leave to stay be VERY careful. Many of these individuals / companies are suspect to say the least. Make sure that they're registered and insist on talking to previous clients. Better still, get your college or a friend to recommend one.
I had a friend who recently parted with �5000 in order to 'speed things up' and it made no difference at all. For the record, he was married to an English girl and they had a child.
Good luck & enjoy your stay in my country.
 
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Hi ernest,
Try this site , they've got some info for graduates - Click here
And like John said , stay away from the guys who ask you to shell out huge amounts. Da a lot of reserach before you go for it.
All the best
 
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Hi Ernest
Pity about no jobs in Swaziland. It's a beautiful country.
I worked in the UK for two years and made similar enquiries while over there. My understanding was that you could apply for PR in the UK if you had lived there with legitimate right-of-abode status for 4 years or longer, and that you could obtain your citizenship a year after that.
If you've nothing to hide , just call/email/fax/write the immigration folk themselves and ask them what the rules are. I've moved round the world a lot (too much maybe), stood for many hours in long queues in strange places and dealt with many surly-faced immigration officials. It's quite daunting sometimes, and it's good to remember that these people are programmed to follow the rules to the max. Make sure you have all the documentation you require before even thinking of lining up. They have a scary amount of power over you and are pretty unsympathetic to any plea or excuse you might have. Like the cop whose dishing out a speeding fine to you - don't argue with them
You might understand their attitude when you see how many people attempt to cross into the UK via the Chunnel on an almost daily basis. Just follow the rules. It is more frustrating but it'll pay off in the long run.
Good luck in your endeavours. Britain is a terrific place. Worst weather in the world, but very rich in almost every other category
[ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: mark howard ]
 
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Thanks for your insights everybody. I've been reading the official UK immigration website and it explicitly states that students are not entitled to applying for PR because of their VISA regualtions: the student Visa states that "leave to remain" in the UK and agreeing to the terms of this type of visa means that the students is agreeing to leave the UK after they have finished their studies.
On the other hand, the current rule on work permits is that a student can start working here as soon as they finish their degree. All they need is a work permit and that they are not required to go back to their country by their ssponsor i.e. people who have been sponsored by their governments. That does not apply to me so I'm safe. The problem is that the law does not state as to how long can the student work. The good thing is that once I have worked here for over 4 years, then I can begin applying for PR. So right now my next move is to find out how long I can work here for after graduation.
Yes, Mark you are right in saying that Swaziland is a very beautiful country but the main problem with it is that it is run by a King who does not care about his own people. Recently he took his 11th wife and the guy is only 35. Some guys may think that this is cool but it's a drain to the whole country because we have to feed the Royal family through taxation. Anyway I'm not here to rant about politics gone wrong, I just want out of my country for a very long long time because I've had enough.
 
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Eleven wives? Radical. Most of us men can barely handle one
Southern Africa must be one of the best places in the world to live, but you're right, it has been destroyed in no small degree by mindless politics.
Good luck.
[ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: mark howard ]
 
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Mark, Ernest is right. The rules are very different for people who come to the UK for Studies than for people who come on a Work Permit, which I find pretty strange. Its a way of saying "You can come in to UK for a Degree anytime and make our Universities richer but if you need a job based on the same degree,we will make your life tougher".
Ernest, How about this idea to fool the foolish system : I was talking to a group of Students who were planning to do this: They finish their Education here, agree with a company that they will process their WorkPermit, Go back to the Country from where they came from and come back in a week on a WorkPermit and then get Permanent Residency in 4 years. Sounds Good ? I am sure there will be a Catch.
 
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You're right, Tintin. The rules rarely make sense, that's why people always look for (and often find) the loopholes.
Bit like your nick, really. This surely isn't my all-time favourite intrepid hero Tintin, who fraternises with the likes of Prof Calculus, the Thomson and Thompson police inspectors, old and grumpy sea captains, ... (by author Herge), is it?
Fooled me, anyway!
 
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Mark, He is my all-time fav hero,too. Few of my best childhood memories are associated with him.I remember how I used to spend every Rupee(I was in India then) to save for his Comics (and Boy - were they expensive Or what).
Good to meet you.
 
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Nice to meet you too, Tintin.
I still can't remember the name of that bad-tempered sea-captain. Cpt. "Barnacles", or something like that.
I wonder if kids these days would be as interested in characters such as Tintin? I guess only if they turned it into a full-length surround-sound movie, sold Tintin-related characters in shops and had Playstation software and mobile ringtones to match...
But this is going into Meaningless Drivel territory, so I'll get out now.
See you around the ranch
 
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Hang on, I was in Meaningless Drivel
It must be Friday...
 
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