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What more needs to be said. If you are a Republican, you are dancing in the streets today. Even in the liberal NorthEast, the democrats couldn't get into the state houses.
 
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It was kind of fun listening to the NPR public radio people trying to explain the result.
It just doesn't fit their model.
 
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I guess we were thinking on the same line at around the same time: https://coderanch.com/t/37746/md/US-Midterm-Elections .
The GOP must be doing something right.
 
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Could any body please care to explain what is the difference between democratic part and replublican party?
Is it like this: democratic pary.EVERYTHING == !(Republican pary.EVERYTHING)?
What are the primary differences between the two? How would the voter determine whome he should vote for?
 
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Great!
Im glad that democracy has returned to the US... I was a wee bit worried that after that coup d etat in 2000 that the USA was going to become a rogue state.
Anyway as befitting Miscellaneous Drivel heres a link to a picture of the illustrious supreme leader surveying his dominion
http://www.the-fletchers.demon.co.uk/bush/Bush.jpg
 
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Originally posted by Mark Fletcher:
Great!I was a wee bit worried that after that coup d etat in 2000


You mean the attempted coup d'etat? The one where the Dems unsuccessfully tried to steal the Presidency? The only question that remains now is to see in how many states the Dems will be crying for recounts.
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
Could any body please care to explain what is the difference between democratic part and replublican party?


Well, a Republican would say that a Democrat is a person who likes to spend unreasonable amounts of money on social "do-gooder" projects at the expense of the business world (to the point of bleeding them to death) - mostly because it sounds good to the poorer voters, and is more likely to get them in office. Most of these programs are then poorly run and just don't work. But hey - if it makes the public feel good about themselves what does it matter that it is killing the "golden goose"? Democrats tend to think of themselves as having a social conscience.
A Democrat would say that a Republican is a hard hearted person who is only interested in perpetuating big business and is more interested in what will increase the amount of money in their personal pocket than they are what is good for the population in general. A Republican tends to think of themselves as being practical and doing what is better for everyone EVEN IF it allows some to be much richer than others - as long as it pulls everyone up in the long run - what the heck.
Course all of this could be argued for months . . .
 
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Another simplistic way to look at the differences between the parties are:
Republicans == smaller government
Democrats == bigger government
 
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:

*Lot of good stuff*
Course all of this could be argued for months . . .


Your are a republican, aren't you?
BTW, if that is the case, how come sometimes republicans win and sometimes democrats win? I mean, either you believe in Reps or in Dems. So the population would be sharply divided and I would imagine only one party will win always...no?
Or is it like sometimes you believe in Reps and sometimes in Dem? How does it work?
Also, since reps have won, does that mean there are more capitalists than poor in the US?
 
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Having a pile of energy stocks I really feel it's a great day. Just wished the Davis would've lost in Ca.
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
... how come sometimes republicans win and sometimes democrats win?


I've heard estimates that 60 - 70% of the population is split evenly between the parties, and will vote a party line, regardless of the candidates and their individual platforms and policies.
It is the remaining population, the ones that actually try to understand the people running, that actually decide the elections. Sometimes the democratic candidate will sound better and sometimes the republican one will. IT depends on the persons interests and the value or return they perceive they'll get from one candidate over another.
hope that helps
 
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Politics is very personal in the US. There is a large segment of the population that will tend to vote for candidates and not parties.
People tend to vote for a party based on how they think that party is doing. Even if they voted for a democrat last time, they may think that the democrats aren't doing something right and will vote for a republican for a change.
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
Your are a republican, aren't you?


No - actually I am an independant. I am more than willing to vote either direction if I believe that the candidate is the better choice.
Heck - I even voted for Ross Perot - and he is "none of the above". .

Also, since reps have won, does that mean there are more capitalists than poor in the US?


A poor person can be a capitalist . They just have to think that the capitalistic approach is more likely to WORK towards improving their lot in life.
And there are alot of rich people that are Democrats. They sincerely believe in their approach to politics.
 
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I even voted for Ross Perot
You and the rest of your co-workers, I imagine.
 
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Politics is very personal in the US. There is a large segment of the population that will tend to vote for candidates and not parties.
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Isnt the voter turnout about 35% in the US for 2002?
 
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Originally posted by <slacker>:
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Politics is very personal in the US. There is a large segment of the population that will tend to vote for candidates and not parties.
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Isnt the voter turnout about 35% in the US for 2002?


There is a large segment of the voting population... (happy now?)
 
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That's a better qualification, but I don't think it's right. If people thought for themselves as vigorously as you suggest, I think there'd be far less money spent in blase campaigns about character, and we'd be able to put more pressure on politicians to debate in open forums.
The ad campaigns in California this year would have been frightening if they weren't so predictably negative, light on issues, and heavy on insinuations of political corruption, calling each other liars in prime-time spots, and of course just making stuff up from half-truths and plausibly deniable disinformation.
It's not like much will change in the grander scheme, though. You could have 99 Republican senators and they'd still complain about the lone Democrat stalling the process when they can't get their own act together. Watch and see: for every Keystone Kop impression the GOP does in the House and Senate now, you'll see those darn Democrats who control no majority as the principal cause of all our woes. It'd be fun if it weren't so tired and inevitable.
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
That's a better qualification, but I don't think it's right. If people thought for themselves as vigorously as you suggest, I think there'd be far less money spent in blase campaigns about character, and we'd be able to put more pressure on politicians to debate in open forums.


Where did I ever say that people thought for themselves? I said they vote for candidates and not perties. If they voted for parties then there would be no need for advertising at all

Originally posted by Michael Ernest:

Watch and see: for every Keystone Kop impression the GOP does in the House and Senate now, you'll see those darn Democrats who control no majority as the principal cause of all our woes. It'd be fun if it weren't so tired and inevitable.


The one thing is that the dems have a fillibuster capable minority.
 
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America is going down the tubes.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:

The one thing is that the dems have a fillibuster capable minority.


Geez, you walked right into that one, Thomas. If you make it this easy how am I going to have any fun?
 
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I don't see where you made a point at all. The minority party will always fillibuster and delay. The difference is now something might actually have a chance to be fillibustered or voted on. We might even get some spending bills worked on that have sat for months.
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:

Geez, you walked right into that one, Thomas. If you make it this easy how am I going to have any fun?


Sorry but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
We might even get some spending bills worked on that have sat for months.

I think the first thing you will see is the approval of the judicial candidates that were stalled by the Democrats.
 
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
A Republican tends to think of themselves as being practical and doing what is better for everyone EVEN IF it allows some to be much richer than others - as long as it pulls everyone up in the long run - what the heck.
Course all of this could be argued for months . . .


That statement belongs in the "How to make the Matrix more realistic" thread. More specifically, it belongs in that scene where the traitor is having a steak dinner with one of the agents. As he admires a piece of steak on his fork the traitor tells the agents that he is fully aware that the steak he is eating is nothing more than an illusion but he will continue to enjoy the illusion because it is far more pleasing than reality.
Every aspiring political despot needs an enemy. The current and aspiring Islamic despots have Israel and America, Hitler had the Jews, the Republicans have the Democrats and vice versa. What amazes me is that otherwise intelligent people are not aware that they are being misled. Both major political parties, Democrats and Republicans, have been with us for more than 140 years because both organizations serve the ambitions of the party first and handle the well being of the people as a secondary issue. As long as people remain gullible, nothing will change.
The system is not evil and is not necessarily flawed. The true flaw is the sad fact that the vast majority of the voters are clueless and are gullible enough to be influenced by political advertisements on television and by the rhetoric of politicians that graduated from law schools where they were trained to convincingly argue a case regardless of their personal opinions and better judgement.
Neither major political party is the personification of good or evil. The fact that some believe otherwise is the best possible demonstration of how Hitler and UBL gain control over those that fail to think for themselves.
Rule #1 for good government: the voters must do their homework.
Rule #2: the voters must understand that the battle between two rival parties is never a battle between good and evil. Instead, it is a battle between two organizations that are attempting to market a product that is not necessarily designed for the benefit of the consumer. (Marketing politics is like marketing tobacco.)
Rule #3: do not believe any product advertisements (political rhetoric).
Rule #4: Understand that all political talk shows are entertainment! Don’t believe any of it!
I bought the tax cut lie from Ronald Reagan, but I won't be stupid enough to buy it again. In the long term, tax cuts do not help the economy unless the tax cut is accompanied by a spending cut. Without the spending cut, the interest on the increased debt becomes a tax that we pay to those that are financing American debt and it is a tax that we can not avoid or vote to repeal. The debt tax is one that we are locked into for decades.
Don't be so gullible!
Neither party is the solution or the source of the problem. The problem is voters that don't do their homework and instead believe the politicians that offer to give us something for nothing. In the sixties the democrats tried to buy votes with social programs. Today, the Republicans are buying votes with income tax cuts. Both parties are playing the same game and in the end we the people will have to figure out how to pay our debts.
The Congressional Budget Office is non-partisan. If you want to know what is happening with the budget and if you want to know where the budget will be in the future based on current projections then see
http://www.cbo.gov
Here's an interesting document that should be required reading for every voter.
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=3581&sequence=0
In fact, everything on this page should be required reading.
http://www.cbo.gov/byclasscat.cfm?class=0&cat=3
How many of you read this one before voting in 2000?
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=2517&sequence=0
Think before you vote!
 
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Referencing the above anonymous guy's post....
Regarding tax cuts and rebates, if the government is collecting too much money from the taxpayers, then the taxpayers should be getting their money back. That's a pretty simple concept.
Next, lack of funding for programs isn't the problem. The problem is with fiscal inefficiency. Government programs need to be overhauled so that the money gets to the people who need it. The vast majority of money spent on these programs is spent on administering these programs, and that is the problem. If they would spend the money efficiently, that is so less of it is spent on adminstrative costs and more gets to the target audience, then some of these social programs might stand a chance at being successful. To re-iterate, it's not that we need to throw more money at these problems, it's that we need to spend the money we do have wisely.
Although the Democrats would have you believe that the only thing we should be worrying about right now is the economy, and while it is a major concern, we also have major security issues overseas and at home that need to be dealt with. The majority of the voters seem to have recognized this and the result is that the Republicans now hold the House, Senate, and the White House.
[ November 07, 2002: Message edited by: Jason Menard ]
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Regarding tax cuts and rebates, if the government is collecting too much money from the taxpayers, then the taxpayers should be getting their money back. That's a pretty simple concept.



And there you have it. Another Republican inserts himself into the Matrix.
You are a victim of political entertainment shows that you have mistaken for serious political commentary. Rather than depend on entertainers as a source of information you should make an attempt to understand the budget by reading the facts directly at the CBO web site. We all know what Rush Limbaugh is preaching in return for about $20 million annually. A far more interesting thought would be that of the American people once the facts are researched and understood.
Read the facts copper top (to take the matrix analogy one step further). You’re not going to get the facts from entertainers or politicians. Instead, they’re only going to give you what you’re asking for and you haven’t been asking for long term economic stability. Instead, you have been asking for something for nothing.
The Republican/Democrat rivalry is not a competition between good and evil. Both parties are just another example of an organization struggling for survival. Some Americans understand the reality and some don’t. You are among those that don’t. You are the copper top in the Matrix.
 
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Originally posted by <Recovering Republican>:
And there you have it. Another Republican inserts himself into the Matrix.


Still recovering from some post-election funk induced alcohol binge methinks. The amusing thing about the too-far-left is how they pride themselves on their amazing quasi-intellectual superiority over what they view as the vastly unintelligent masses. If only they would be allowed to shephard this ignorant flock we could be saved from our own ignorance.

You are a victim of political entertainment shows that you have mistaken for serious political commentary.


Another all too typical trait of the liberal self-styled intellectual is an embarassing tendancy to make false assumptions. How can you have the faintest clue where I or anyone else here might get the information they draw on to form their opinions? Is it just by nature of your superiority that you know this? Are you aware that JavaRanch attracts a generally literate crowd, most of whom have the ability to pick up and read books? What do you think the odds are that some here have a greater than highschool education and may have even taken the odd economics or poli sci course during their academic career? My point is there are other sources of information besides the ones you dismiss out of hand, where people just might possibly end up with conclusions that are different, yet no-less valid than your own.

Instead, you have been asking for something for nothing.


Please tell me. What have I been asking for?

Some Americans understand the reality and some don’t. You are among those that don’t. You are the copper top in the Matrix.


The problem of your brand of liberal is that they believe anyone who hasn't drawn the same enlightened conclusions as they have are by definition a)wrong or ignorant, and b)intellectually limited. If they were otherwise, they could see the obvious.
But aside from all that... you addressed nothing in my previous post. For example, do you understand the concept of efficient spending? Do you understand how lower taxes generally equate to a stronger market? Do you think that the absolute greatest single problem our nation now faces is the economy, and that is what we must focus all resources on?
We could probably throw links at each other all day, but here's one which describes the effects of lower state taxes in New Jersey.
http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/budget/health/health.htm
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Once again copper top shows no ability to make a statement outside of the standard Republican clich�s. You went on and on about liberals without even realizing that I am advocating conservatism—not liberalism. I did not abandon the Republican party for the love of liberal economic policy. The Republican party left me for the love of liberal economic policy. The problem with the Republican party is the lack of conservative fiscal policy.
How is that Republicans don’t even recognize their own liberalism? It’s no surprise that they pay Rush 20 million a year for brain washing the sheep.
Why would I respond to your previous references to Reagan’s campaign promise to balance the budget through the removal of bureaucratic waste? Reagan’s economic policy was a disaster and his own budget director, David Stockman, admitted it. Didn’t you get the memo? Where have you been? Where were you when Stockman resigned? Were you in diapers in ’81 or were you already inserted into the Matrix? I assume the later.
I advocate conservative fiscal policy and you advocate increased debt. Which one is the liberal?
 
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What's this whole Matrix kick about btw? Copper Top? What makes you think everyone here even understands what you are talking about? I can't believe anybody would seriously try to draw parallels with a Keanau Reeves movie. I mean really man, that's like throwing Star Trek references around. :roll:
 
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And if you don't like the word liberal, please feel free to replace it with the pejorative you are most comfortable with.
 
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I looked at the close Senate races, and by and
large, it looked to me like the better looking
candidates won. :roll:
I don't know anything about the matrix or copper
top, but I'm appreciating your input recovery
man. How many step program are you on?
Finally it looks like abortion will be outlawed,
capital gains will be lowered, and the budget
will be balanced.
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
[QB]Is it like this: democratic pary.EVERYTHING == !(Republican pary.EVERYTHING)?
[QB]


No. The democrats and republicans are almost the same (although you can nitpick about policy issues). A shift in party power in the US doesn't make people fear for there lives, arrange revolts, switch monitary systems, etc. -- it just gives them something to shout about at the dinner table (and over the internet...).
 
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A "Copper Top" is anyone that has been inserted into the Matrix. The Matrix generates power from the biological processes that occur within comatose human bodies. The opiate of the masses is a collective illusion that causes the “copper tops” to believe that they are living in a world that is very different from the true reality. Similarly, the major political parties gain support by creating a collectively accepted illusion. The most obvious is the illusion that one party represents evil while the other represents everything good. The reality is that the top priority of each party is the well being of the party. The well being of the American people is a secondary issue.
The links that I posted earlier are links to documents that provide the raw data relevant to our budget. Every voter should read the documents and make decisions based on their own conclusions. The reality is that very few people attempt to understand the raw data. Instead, they defer the thinking process to people that have an interest in creating false illusions that serve the interests of the parties but not the people.
We have a good system of government, but it currently is not working because the people are not doing their homework. At the beginning of each election cycle each political party looks for wedge issues that will divide the people most advantageously. Then the party tries to motivate the media to focus on that wedge issue. As long as the basis of our political process is the search for wedge issues we will have a government that isn’t able to make progress on real priorities such as our long term economic stability and security.
Education is the key to making our political system serve our interests before party interests. Rather than allow the parties to select and focus on wedge issues, we the people should select the issues based on knowledge of raw data rather than an emotional response to political clich�s. Those candidates that don’t respond to the real issues should be ignored.
Unfortunately, a more likely scenario is that the voters will continue to be consumers of political entertainment rather that factual information and the future course of politics in America will be no different from the current course.
The budget won’t be addressed until one party or the other concludes that it could become an effective wedge issue. Nobody in Washington will do a thing until the budget provides an opportunity to generate votes for one party or the other. Parties don’t want solutions—they want issues.
 
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Here is an article I found interesting. Not sure how accurate it is, it seems rather pro-Democrats.
 
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You could find many articles refuting that claim.
 
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