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Not sure if this is the right forum but my following thoughts are meaningless and drivel and quite boring so it could be. Feel free to move it or shoot me down in flames
Is it just me or does anyone else agree with me
1) Most Java books aren't proof read or they employ chimps to do it.
2) A lot of open source newsgroups/mail lists are controlled by slightly arrogant bods who need to get out more. (Not Javaranch I hasten to add )
3) Hard stuff is easy to do in java yet trying to find out the simplest thing is like hunting for the Holy Grail.
4) There are loads of whizzo complicated open source things out there yet most have no documentation and they expect everyone to have brains the size of planets to get them to install and run.
5) You get more answers to questions about how to access the 34th address pointer and turn it into base 73 ebcdic than how to get an java code to run so we can produce applications!
6) There's a tendency in OO/Java to make everything sound v v complicated when it isn't so we think everyone else is v v clever. Check out Javaranch and the Sun Tutorial on how to explain things proper like!
7) Most of us are trying to write applications that work are fast and robust and enjoy doing it. We need tools and frameworks that are relatively simple/quick to pick up and use without having an I.Q of 10000 (Mine isn't).
Love the site you've got it right , I'm off for a lie down!
 
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I think that I like this guy . . .
 
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I agree. I sometimes feel like a complete loser when I can't figure out how to set up a classpath or which JRE is actually running and is compatible with what I am doing.
Stick flap a into slot b, but not before flap a goes into slot c.
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Hi Graham
Welcome in MD
I had similar thought but now I dont have ..
1) Most Java books aren't proof read or they employ chimps to do it.
by mistake I gone through good books which has fewer mistakes.
2) A lot of open source newsgroups/mail lists are controlled by slightly arrogant bods who need to get out more. (Not Javaranch I hasten to add )
They are arogant casue they dont do your job.
3) Hard stuff is easy to do in java yet trying to find out the simplest thing is like hunting for the Holy Grail.
I am not very clear what you want to say.
4) There are loads of whizzo complicated open source things out there yet most have no documentation and they expect everyone to have brains the size of planets to get them to install and run.
One can always pay and get all these things.
Or why not I do the, let us say documentation of CVSZilla, but as I am getting it for free I dont care and love to dig in to it.
5) You get more answers to questions about how to access the 34th address pointer and turn it into base 73 ebcdic than how to get an java code to run so we can produce applications!
Pointers .. what is it?
6) There's a tendency in OO/Java to make everything sound v v complicated when it isn't so we think everyone else is v v clever.
Choice is your be v v clever OR make things v v complicated
7) Most of us are trying to write applications that work are fast and robust and enjoy doing it. We need tools and frameworks that are relatively simple/quick to pick up and use without having an I.Q of 10000 (Mine isn't).
We love others to do our job.

Love the site you've got it right , I'm off for a lie down!

We all love it.. again welcome..
I am talking Mless
 
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Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
I sometimes feel like a complete loser when I can't figure out how to set up ...


It happens to you too? Cool
 
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Originally posted by Graham Mead:

3) Hard stuff is easy to do in java yet trying to find out the simplest thing is like hunting for the Holy Grail.


Sometimes I feel that way, but then I go program in C and I am like, "I have to do how much code to do that? Why can't I just use java?" Where 100 lines of C code with pointers to pointers is 5 lines of JAVA code.
 
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Howdo Chaps and Chapesses,
And I thought I was the only one! It was sooooo lonely until now. I felt I was the one guy who sometimes got confused with Classpaths, context roots, namespaces etc, we could start a club!
This was all brought on by the final straw of trying to use a piece of OpenSource (which shall remain nameless) that looked great but had a problem with whatever XML parser was used.
It had 1 page of out of date instructions a mailing list where my questions were either ignored or I was treated like an idiot who had escaped from his village!!
After 2 days of stumbling about I could feel a blood vessel about to burst so someone has to pay!
My boss, who is a bit of a slave driver mentioned he wasn't too keen on me taking half a week to get something to work, even though I told him it would knock his socks off when it did.
We've all had to learn from scratch so books,courses and helping each other are the way to do it.
Thanks for the welcome Ravish as for point 4 we all would love a free car to get to work but a handbook is so much better than driving round in circles or even worse over a cliff to an untimely and messily red end
 
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Originally posted by Graham Mead:
we all would love a free car to get to work but a handbook is so much better than driving round in circles or even worse over a cliff to an untimely and messily red end


If you love to drive then be ready for accidents also.
And when you have free car then be more alert as its FREE and you dont have hand-book. So first know all major-minor and how-to-operate details before driving free car. you will never round in circles.
The only price you pay for free car is that you have to learn extra to drive it. Apart from steering, you have to know engine also.
If you want handbook then there are always showrooms, there you can buy handbook and ofcourse car also.
[ November 13, 2002: Message edited by: Ravish Kumar ]
 
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Think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one Ravish :roll:
See you all soon for more Meaningless stuff!!
 
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Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
I agree. I sometimes feel like a complete loser when I can't figure out how to set up a classpath or which JRE is actually running and is compatible with what I am doing.
Stick flap a into slot b, but not before flap a goes into slot c.
Mark


I'd still rather try to configure a J2EE app, to run on a tomcat server on a 1980's era TRS80, with a specialized JVM set up on a Comadore 64 client than try to find an answer to a question in the MSDN
 
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Originally posted by Dave Vick:

I'd still rather try to configure a J2EE app, to run on a tomcat server on a 1980's era TRS80, with a specialized JVM set up on a Comadore 64 client than try to find an answer to a question in the MSDN


HAHAHAHAHAHA
AMEN Dave!!
 
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You forgot the good old days, because it was
the same crap back then, too.
 
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