Humorous War Links

[John Dunn]

I'm like Bush, but I think these are soooo funnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny!!
Bomb for Peace
Reason for involvement

[Anonymous]

M0st wanted Man
http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/wanted.jpg

[Thomas Paul]

Sadaam kills 2,000,000 people and Bush is the most wanted man. We live in a strange world.

[Paul Stevens]

Originally posted by John Dunn:

Bomb for Peace

I bet they both are.
[ March 11, 2003: Message edited by: Paul Stevens ]

[Bert Bates]

Thomas -
I'm no fan of Saddam - he IS a monster !! I just don't want to lower our country to his standards of behavior... I think Bush is doing EXACTLY what Saddam wants...

[Paul Stevens]

Just out of curiosity. Did you complain when Clinton lobbed more cruise missles than were fired in the gulf war at Iraq? Did you complain when Clinton asked for and received permission from the same Senators who are hand-wringing now to use force against Iraq? Did you say anything during Bosnia or Haiti?

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Bert Bates:
I think Bush is doing EXACTLY what Saddam wants...

You think Sadaam wants the US to invade his country, put him out power, probably kill him? I think Sadaam beleives that he can get away with anything and that the US will never invade as long as he is able to make it look like he is sort of cooperating. String it out until the summer and then it will be too hot to invade seems to be his goal.

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Bert Bates:
Thomas -
I'm no fan of Saddam - he IS a monster !! I just don't want to lower our country to his standards of behavior...

I don't quite get this. Are you saying that overthrowing a murderous dictator in order to establish a democracy is descending to Sadaam's standards?

[Bert Bates]

There's no question that you guys are more adroit at these political topics than I, but just being glib doesn't make it right.
The question I have is, aren't there distinctions to be drawn? Is helping out a country that's been attacked (Kuwait) the same as initiating conflict preemptively?
I'm all for democracy, it's not perfect but it's the best approach so far (although I could do without the outdated electoral college, does anybody here know, mathematically, just how distorted an electoral college result can be?), ... but when does love of democracy stop and imperialism begin? Again, aren't there distinctions to be made?

[Bert Bates]

Oh yeah, and on the Saddam point, I think he might be very happy to achieve martyr status...

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Bert Bates:
Oh yeah, and on the Saddam point, I think he might be very happy to achieve martyr status...

Really! I get a completely different impression of him. I see him as a guy who wants to be king, not martyr. He isn't even particularly religious so I can't see the afterlife as being a major attraction to him. I think you have completely misread him.

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Bert Bates:
but when does love of democracy stop and imperialism begin? Again, aren't there distinctions to be made?

I can see your point. So how about we set the stop sign at murderous dictators who are responsible for than 1,000,000 dead. Less than that and we leave them alone. Does this work for you?
By the way, the electoral college does serve one useful purpose... it prevents an extremely popular regional candidate from being elected. Imagine a candidate that wins a huge majority in the NE (85% of the vote) and loses in every other state. This candidate would win even though his base was only a small section of the country. Of course this is very unlikely in the current environment. What I found interesting about the last presidential election was how the country was so widely spilt between urban and rural.
By the way, you can't really judge the last election based on the popular vs. electoral votes. Bush knew that there were states he had no chance to win (like NY) so he didn't even bother to campaign in them. If he had needed popular votes he would have campaigned in NY and NY Republicans wouldn't have been so lackluster in coming to the polls. You play by the rules of the game.

[Bert Bates]

Hmmm... OK, let's follow that 1,000,000 dead line of reasoning...
If we've decided to be the world's cops, then where DO we draw the line? How about if a monster only tortures and kills 10 people, then do we look the other way? If so, how about 1,000 people?
Where exactly is that line, and how does our government decide where and when to draw it. Do we want to be the world's corrupt cops?
Would we be ready to go to war with Saddam if he didn't have WMD ? Just to be cops? Maybe if Bush would pick a reason and stick with it he'd be a little more credible. How come we're not about to go to war with Libya?

[Mapraputa Is]

So if there was a super-super-power somewhere during Vietnam war, it had all moral rights to bomb the USA, invade it and kick out the President?

[Jason Menard]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
So if there was a super-super-power somewhere during Vietnam war, it had all moral rights to bomb the USA, invade it and kick out the President?

The US did not have 17 UN resolutions passed against it urging it to disarm or anything else for that matter. The US was not in the habit of causing genocide. There are other obvious distinctions of course, but you get the idea.

[Mapraputa Is]

Speaking about "Humorous War Links", I read this on CNN site:
The restaurant menus in the three House office buildings will change the name of "french fries" to "freedom fries," a culinary rebuke of France, stemming from anger over the country's refusal to support the U.S. position on Iraq. Ditto for "french toast," which will now be know as "freedom toast." The name changes were spearheaded by two Republican lawmakers who plan to hold a news conference Tuesday to make the name changes official on the menus.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/11/iraq.tracker.update/index.html
I read about this before, but I thought it was a joke!

[John Dunn]

I also saw that article about the new 'freedom' fries. I LOVE the sarcasm!!! I can't wait for McDonalds to start selling 'em!!
Freedom Poodles
Freedom Kiss
Freedom Films
Freedom-Canandians
I personally cannot wait until Chirac gets his well-deserved payback.

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Bert Bates:
....Libya?

Oh my God !!!
You are becoming addicted to MD too....
WARNING: Visiting too much MD, can be dangerous for your working hrs. You might have to OT for which IT industry doesnt pay anything

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
So if there was a super-super-power somewhere during Vietnam war, it had all moral rights to bomb the USA, invade it and kick out the President?

Why? The US did not invade South Vietnam and not once during the war did we send troops into North Vietnam.

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Bert Bates:
[QB]Hmmm... OK, let's follow that 1,000,000 dead line of reasoning...[QB]

You wanted to know where to draw the line for US intervention. I am willing to draw the line at use of WMDs in a war and killing more than 1,000,000 people. You do those two things and you are toast.

[Vitor Belfort]

[QUOTEhttp://67.17.166.151/att/111440/159310200352143PM/bombforpeace.jpg
What's with the hippie fashion... Not that I'm violent (actually I am) but I'd love to drop that chic holding the sign with a straight right to the jaw followed by some vicious uppercuts.
The rest were pretty funny though.