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Something you like about other culture/religion/community or philosophy

 
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There are lot of thread about attacking other community/religion but I would like to start a thread where you apprecialte something about others.
as what I appreciate most about American people is their freedom of speech even if they do not like something about their country/Govt they will oppose that openly which is what I think we Indians are lacking very much.
What do you like about other communities ?
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:

...which is what I think we Indians are lacking very much.
What do you like about other communities ?
[ March 24, 2003: Message edited by: Sameer Jamal ]


I think you read only those newspapers managed by new feudals of the country.If you talk of about attacking the governance/govt.officials/politicians, I don't think we are much behind. .About the culture/religion,yes,we have less patience than compared to say 20 years back.Credit goes to ..., ok, I don't want to divert the topic .Now about your question,do you want to ask"What do you like about other countries ?".
 
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I like the fact that the Islam community puts such an emphasis on their faith. If I truly prayed 5 times a day I would probably be a better person for it.
Plus I kinda like the "ritual" that surrounds it. Even if I know that ritual has nothing to do with spiritual beliefs or goodness - it appeals to me at times.
I don't like that it is sort of "forced" by the rules of their society, but then we have a lot of things that are sort of "forced" also.
 
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I like how the Bavarians have such a strong committment to beer.
 
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
I like the fact that the Islam community puts such an emphasis on their faith. If I truly prayed 5 times a day I would probably be a better person for it.
Plus I kinda like the "ritual" that surrounds it. Even if I know that ritual has nothing to do with spiritual beliefs or goodness - it appeals to me at times.
I don't like that it is sort of "forced" by the rules of their society, but then we have a lot of things that are sort of "forced" also.


I agree. It would be nice to have the commitment without the force though. Sometimes I wonder how different things in America would be if we had never seperated Church and State like we did. But then I think about how I would probably be forced to be a Catholic, and I wouldn't like that very much .
What I particularly like about Asian cultures is they are so rooted in their culture and history and family. I think for the most part, Americans have really lost site of their past worrying so much about the future. Also, the Asian community is so polite and respectful, at least those that I know are.
 
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Sikhs... they are the one who will never beg. He will die but wont take a begging.
Muslims funda of not praying idols.
Serving poor and needy without expecting anything in return... I am talking abt some nuns whom I know.
 
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Sometimes I wonder how different things in America would be if we had never seperated Church and State like we did. But then I think about how I would probably be forced to be a Catholic, and I wouldn't like that very much .


actually you would have been forced to be a protestant
 
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Muslims funda of not praying idols.


Why do you like that ?? Just curious I mean what is it about that particular aspect of prayer that you like. ?
It just occured to me that Islam is the only religion ( that i am aware of ) which does not have any sort of idol (for lack of better word) .. i believe they have a green colored flag of sorts with some stars and a crescent moon ( i am guessing here.. please correct me if i am wrong ) And i also know they go by some moon sighting in Mecca before they celebrate a holi day
very Interesting ....
 
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Originally posted by vi kam:
It just occured to me that Islam is the only religion ( that i am aware of ) which does not have any sort of idol (for lack of better word) ..
very Interesting ....


In Hindus also they can pray without idol. But I think for common man they made idols
In Hindus there is concept of Nirakar Bramha [means: God without any shape] But it takes lot of deep thinking to see that unseen thing.
AW God is everywhere, how can you have any shape or face of it ??? He is like Zero.
Do you know about sufism ??
I also like Sufiism. They believe that God is everywhere and in everything. Generally they love to God either in metaphor of their lover or in some other human relation.
Though most of Sufi sants are muslims but there are also some Hindu Sufi sants.
If you have heard of Late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, he was also follower of Sufiism.
 
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A christian will tell you that we do not have an idol either. We use the cross as a SYMBOL, but that is an entirely different thing than an idol. A flag with stars and a cresent moon is just a symbol also.
Sometimes we use a fish shape as a symbol also - but that is another story entirely (the acronym for "king of the Jews" on the cross spelled out the word "fish" so the early christians wore the symbol to secretly let each other know that they were christians).
 
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Can anybody tell whats the difference between two sects of Islam,Shia and Sunni? Are Shias Suffi too?
 
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I love the American Yankee spirit. His strong conviction of right and wrong but being patient enough to weigh both arguments before making his move.
(I used a male form just for the sake of explaining..)
I also like buddhism. The principles of moderation appeal immensly to me. My favourite quote from Buddhism, "Do not desire for that which you cannot maintain"
 
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i believe they have a green colored flag of sorts with some stars and a crescent moon ( i am guessing here.. please correct me if i am wrong ) And i also know they go by some moon sighting in Mecca before they celebrate a holi day


This reminds me about an article in Times of India "Friends across Faiths" actually we know very less about the other cultures and religion and we make our own perception by what we hear from others
Shia and Sunni are the initial two divisions in the Muslim community where Sunni beleives that Prophet Mohammed(peace be on him) is the last prophet of god whereas Shia also beleives in desendents of Prophet Mohammed( peace be on him) mainly Hassan and Husain
There is no particular Islamic symbol like green coloured flag or something this is just a flag of pakistan
Another thing Islamic calendar is based upon the the moon revolution round the earth so festivals are also celebrated according to the position of moon actually this is a topic of Islamic science
 
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
[QB]A christian will tell you that we do not have an idol either. We use the cross as a SYMBOL, but that is an entirely different thing than an idol. A flag with stars and a cresent moon is just a symbol also.



Actually there is not much difference between Christianity and Islam the origin is same where muslim beleives in Adam, Mosa Isa(Jsus) and Prophet Mohammed are the messengers of god
and Christian beleives that Adam, Mosa Isa (Jesus) are the messengers of god but they do not beleive anything after christ similarly Muslim does not beleive in anything after Prophet Mohammed, In Islam we beleive in five books The Quran, The Bible, The Ingeel, The Tauret and another one which I forgot.

Another thing which is common in Christianity, Islam and Hinduism is Noha messenger of god
In bible description about Noha is given when earth completely went under the sea and he build a large ship to save the life on earth similarly in quran same story is about Noha where he is called as Nooh and in geeta story of Manu is given which is very similar to those of quran and bible
if you study most of the religion you see that origin is the same.
Pardon me for writting of the topic
 
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Another thing which is common in Christianity, Islam and Hinduism is Noha messenger of god


Not true in case of Hinduism.Hinduism has no notion of Noha (Noah).
Hindus have
1) Brahma - Creator
2) Vishnu - Feeder
3) Shiva - Destroyer
And Rama & Krishna (are 2 of the more popular 10 incarnations for those who wonder at various time periods) are incarnations of Vishnu on earth to preserve peace and the supply chain for all forms of life on Earth
IMHO Hinduism is not very easy to explain to people who are from a different background. I never had to do this before so i have little experience in this.
 
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By Sameer Jamal :: This reminds me about an article in Times of India "Friends across Faiths" actually we know very less about the other cultures and religion and we make our own perception by what we hear from others


I guess you are partially right in a generic way. I formed mine growing up in India watching a minority of Muslims in my home town. They DID have a green flag with lots of stars and a crescent moon and the flag was in the shape of an extended triangle , and also some kind of a big slab sort of a thing in the center of the prayer hall that is covered with again green colored cloth made of silk with lots of stars on it. There was incense burning there all the time.
I remember going to this "Darga" to form a first hand opinion about other religions which i was surprised to see many Hindus went and prayed too, and Oh yeah I also visited a church at that time. But visiting church was something i did a couple of times later as I was educated in a christian missionary school and we were "lead" to a church at christmas by our school teacher for 2 years.
On a side note she got reprimanded after that as during the 3rd year she tried to force us to read "The Bible" in class and asked the girls not to wear "bindi" .. amazingly she did it all the time.

Also i remember "Darga" is not a "Mosque".. Can some one clarify to me what the difference is

A christian will tell you that we do not have an idol either. We use the cross as a SYMBOL,


Basically i agree about what you say but thats what I "meant".. I was pretty loosely referring them all to be Idols. I think its interesting that most religions (again those that i know of) have some form of a visual representation of what they should be thinking when they are praying. which i think helps in concentrating on the prayer / god.
Islam is a notable exception in most parts of the world (again confused about a "Darga") where there is a "something" that is covered.
 
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Originally posted by vi kam:
Not true in case of Hinduism.Hinduism has no notion of Noha (Noah).


My dear friend I think you have not read the geeta completely there was a story about a king called Manu and that story is very similar to thos of Noha or ooh
 
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Originally posted by vi kam:
Not true in case of Hinduism.Hinduism has no notion of Noha (Noah).


I think you missed this line..
...where he is called as Nooh and in geeta story of Manu is given which is very similar to those of quran and bible

And like you are talking about 10 incarnation of Vishnu.
10th is Budha ... This is propaganda of RSS.
Till my childhood, I always read, herad that there are 9 incarnations.
Then suddenly one day everyone was saying that 10th is Budha
Even when I was in 10/11 class there were some people who were claiming Ka..... [some name] to be 10th incarnation. And they had his photo also.
IMHO there are only 9 incarnations of lord Vishnu.
I have never read, except in RSS or BJP media that Budha is 10th incarnation.
It just begun because lot of people were converting to Budhism. But still it could not stop people :roll:
AW we are diverting from the main topic
 
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Originally posted by rahul rege:
Can anybody tell whats the difference between two sects of Islam,Shia and Sunni? Are Shias Suffi too?


In my little knowledge abt Sufi.
They were people who have left materialistic life to find God. The find God in music. Qwalli is form of prayer for Sufis.
There was no condition for religion. There were Baba Ramdev Peer, he was Hindu but Sufi and then there were lot of Muslims Sufi also. Basically they did not bound themselves in religion. Sufi is/was open to all.
But there philosphy of God is very starnge. Its like Meera's philosphy.
Most of the time Sufi consider himself to be a woman and God is his lover. But its not a rule. It could be any human relation. But they always have some kind of relation with God and then they would sing all their life for their love.
 
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I like Turks - for their openness and ease of conversation, how they will make you feel like they are your best friend, and at the same time will always remember their own benefit.
I like Chinese - for their unelievable capability to copy and multiply anything, from vonton soup to sunglasses to microchips.
I like Italians - for their love for soccer.
I like Indians - some of the better projects I worked on always involved indian consultants. Did someone say "Gurugi"?
I like Americans - because they are straight, consistent, they try to explain and resolve issues, they have this GREAT institution of giving to charities and volunteering.
I like Bavarians - because they make unbelievably great cars (should I mention Mercedes, BMW and Porsche?)
and finally
I like Russians - because they have unbelievably looking women.
Shura
 
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Ravish Kumar :: Till my childhood, I always read, herad that there are 9 incarnations.
Then suddenly one day everyone was saying that 10th is Budha
Even when I was in 10/11 class there were some people who were claiming Ka..... [some name] to be 10th incarnation. And they had his photo also.
IMHO there are only 9 incarnations of lord Vishnu.
I have never read, except in RSS or BJP media that Budha is 10th incarnation



You might have misheard...There are 10 avataras of Vishnu. As for RSS or BJP propaganda .. i dont know about that.. I have never heard anything like that before.. I mean there was some propoganda about Budha being the 10th but i am not sure if it was done by RSS brigade ..

The avatara's of vishnu as i understand are like this ::
Krita Yuga - Matsya , Koorma, Varaha, Narasimha
Treta Yuga - Vamana, Parasurama, Sri Rama
Dwapara Yuga - Balarama and Sri Krishna
Kali Yuga - Kalki ( supposed to be the last and apocolyptic.. Yet to be)
It is also true that some people claimed
Budha, Venkateswara etc to be the 10th avatara.. Some "swamiji's" even claimed they themselves are the 10th avatara .. :roll:
 
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My dear friend I think you have not read the geeta completely there was a story about a king called Manu and that story is very similar to thos of Noha or ooh


You got me there....
I did not read it "Completely"
Noah is messenger of god .. I guess you intrepreted Manu as the same as he wrote the "Dharma Shastra" or explained it to all the other Rishi's
 
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Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:

Muslims funda of not praying idols.


Idolatry was an obsession with The Prophet. Just a little casual reading between the lines of the Qur'an (or even IN the lines) you'll see that in his early years he struggled much with his fellow Arabs about that. If there is a "First Commandment" to Islam, it is this:


Thou shalt not add gods to God


Something that's gotten lost over the years is that Mohammed (PBOH) considered Jews, Arabs, and Christians to be brothers before God. They are all "people of the book". Unfortunately, as time passed and the local Jews didn't embrace the Muslims with open arms and the only Christians were few, distant, and somewhat off the mainstream of Christianity, it seems that some of that initial brotherhood was lost.
A lot of what outsiders think of as strange Islamic practices are directly related to the total rejection of even the faintest whiff of idolatry. Statues or even depictions of persons or animals have been forbidden, lest they become objects of worship. The Christian concept of the Trinity was likewise condemned. Saints and the Virgin Mary (Maryam in the Qu'ran) are not to be appealed to.
Even childrens dolls are sometimes banned, though I believe that in the Hadith it is said that Mohammed had a particular fondness for his grandaughter playing with her doll (perhaps someone can correct this for me).
Admittedly, many Protestants think that the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches spend more time talking to saints and The Virgin than is wholesome. Like Islam, the early Christian church had a hard time dealing with polytheism. However Christianity was sneakier. They just swapped out Mary for the Earth Mother and various saints for the pagan gods.
Idolatrous or not, it seems that few religions can completely dispense with artifacts, whether they're menorahs or rosaries, prayer wheels or statues of the Buddha. Personally, I'm rather convinced that quite a few Americans regard the U.S. flag as an object of worship. The critical thing IMHO is to avoid confusing the symbol with the subject.
 
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In Muslims I like their total obedience to Islamic beliefs. I have rarely seen a god fearing Muslim trying to cheat or lie to other person. I like Panchsheel of Buddhism. In American culture I like their respect to other person's privacy.
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What I like about Russian people is their love for music and culture and "Vodka"
 
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I love the Brits, because they gave us that great cultural icon Monty Python.
Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate? - Monty Python's Holy Grail

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