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... is being discussed in MO, but it's not fair not to hear those for whom the forum was designed, in the first place. :roll:
Basically, there are three main proposals (if I forgot something, other moderators will correct me)
1. Keep political discussion in this forum on JavaRanch -- this entails a long discussion on what policies should be, ad nauseum.
2. Create another forum, specially for "heavy" discussions (mostly political, I suppose)
3. Find another place/create a companion site -- the main argument is that this could serve politically active part of audience better. If we are not restricted by JavaRanch general (and artifical ) "be nice" rule, we could indeed have more freedom of speech, more democracy etc.
What do you think?
[ April 03, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]
 
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I vote for the third choice. Anything less than complete freedom is likely to be viewed by someone, somewhere as highly restrictive.
If anyone posts anything stupid or offensive they will be ignored by the greater part of the community.
 
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Does the discussion have to be meaningless??
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
... is being discussed in MO, but it's not fair not to hear those for whom the forum was designed, in the first place. :roll:
Basically, there are three main proposals (if I forgot something, other moderators will correct me)
1. Keep political discussion in this forum on JavaRanch -- this entails a long discussion on what policies should be, ad nauseum.
2. Create another forum, specially for "heavy" discussions (mostly political, I suppose)
3. Find another place/create a companion site -- the main argument is that this could serve politically active part of audience better. If we are not restricted by JavaRanch general (and artifical ) "be nice" rule, we could indeed have more freedom of speech, more democracy etc.
What do you think?
[ April 03, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]


I think option 2 is better-- we should have a "crossfire" forum, no holds barred, forget about being nice, we should be able to tear each other to shreds and expect to be torn to shreds too
 
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But there is the issue that some people do not feel comfortable in a forum that is so . . . volitile.
 
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
But there is the issue that some people do not feel comfortable in a forum that is so . . . volitile.


well, we put a warning sign up just like that in the meaningless drivel forum-- "All weapons are allowed in the bar"-- in other words dont' come into the forum unless you are ready to get ver emotional about your arguments
 
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To be clear, option 2 would almost certainly have some restrictions on it - but less than option 1 would. Thread titles still show up on the UBB main forum page for example, and we wouldn't want those to contain icky insults that would offend people in the rest of the ranch. Even option 3 would not be completely uncensored, unless it were completely separate from javaranch. Maybe we should list an option 4: serious non-Java discussion is banned from javaranch entirely, and we just post links to other (totally independent) sites where it may continue unfettered. That's not what I want personally, but it's not an uncommon position among the people who view this as well, a Java site. Go figure. :roll:
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Well moderated forums are imho preferable to forums that are essentially unmoderated. What results in forums that are essentially unmoderated is pure anarchy and ultimately not that fun for anyone. In the case of JR though, there is a certain image and core mission to maintain, so any solution has to be respectful of those goals.
 
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Originally posted by Sriraj Rajaram:
I vote for the third choice. Anything less than complete freedom is likely to be viewed by someone, somewhere as highly restrictive.
If anyone posts anything stupid or offensive they will be ignored by the greater part of the community.


I believe this option entails going to yahoo groups or alt.something. Still think it is a good idea?
They already exist. Do you go there now?
Those of us in favor of keeping the forum. Would rather have it here. We have something in common with the posters. We know most of the posters.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:

I believe this option entails going to yahoo groups or alt.something. Still think it is a good idea?
They already exist. Do you go there now?
Those of us in favor of keeping the forum. Would rather have it here. We have something in common with the posters. We know most of the posters.


Original Post by Map Is

Find another place/create a companion site


I was referring to the "Create a Companion site" part of it. If Paul Wheaton and the other moderators are willing to setup an alternative site where our memberships would get carried over I think that would definetly be a better option than creating a forum within Javaranch.
I'll even chip in a bit if they want extra funds.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:

Those of us in favor of keeping the forum. Would rather have it here. We have something in common with the posters. We know most of the posters.


Agree.....
And without psuedo rule of being nice.
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Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:

And without psuedo rule of being nice
[ April 04, 2003: Message edited by: Ravish Kumar ]


Cheeky!!
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agree with Paul and Ravish --> special forum here, because its much simpler solution.
... and it should be moderated.
There may be something in the subtitle to tell people to don't loose respect to other posters and that its for exchange of information about political views of java users in different parts of our world, not for telling all people from country x are assholes.
I learned a lot about political positions of individuums from USA, India, (ex-)Russia and other countries. This was interesting and fun.

There was more mutual respect in the political discussions of the old MD than the discussion-forums of respectable newspapers in Germany, Spain and Chile I scan from time to time.
 
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No comments, just an observation. Out of top 30 posts in MD (on Tuesday morning), only 4 or 5 reached double digits... :roll: For a site that averages more than 10000 users a day, I'd say "the King is dead".
Certainly look forward to see the final decision
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
No comments, just an observation. Out of top 30 posts in MD (on Tuesday morning), only 4 or 5 reached double digits...


You missed Monday
 
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Whoever is interested, I made my comment here
http://www.coderanch.com/t/1935/Ranch-Office/Meaningless-Drivel
 
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