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Are girls dumber than guys ?

 
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Why do you keep posting this stuff? First you post a message concerning racial superiority (which I closed) and now you are posting a message concerning sexual superiority. These are not the kinds of discussions we wish to promote here. What is your purpose in starting such topics?
 
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Yeah, and change your dumb name to comply with the JR policy!
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Why do you keep posting this stuff? First you post a message concerning racial superiority (which I closed) and now you are posting a message concerning sexual superiority. These are not the kinds of discussions we wish to promote here. What is your purpose in starting such topics?


Hey, I never had a intention to start a thread about racial or sexual superiority ... there is a big big difference between racial superiority and genetically strong ... atleast I thought so ... I am sorry if the words used made you intrepret them wrong.
 
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Terminate this thread
[ April 26, 2003: Message edited by: Sriraj Rajaram ]
 
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Hey, I never had a intention to start a thread about racial or sexual superiority
OK, let's forget the old racial thread for the moment. What possible purpose does this thread serve, if not to argue over which gender is intellectually superior? Are you expecting some people to say "yes"? And if so, isn't that just insulting women? Or quite possibly the insults will be directed against men instead. I mean, what if someone now posts a thread titled "Is Ram stupider than the rest of us?" Would that be a good thread to discuss?
 
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Maybe Ram was inquiring about the scientific studies and research (I hope that was his motivation), he just phrased it wrong. Here is a relevant article. Conclusion: there is no difference in the mean IQ scores for men and women, but the distribution of IQ in men was larger than in women. That is, there are more male than female geniuses, but also more retarded men at the bottom end of the scale.
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[ April 26, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]
 
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Everyone knows that women are vastly superior to men. Men are mostly dumb jerks that wouldn't be able to feed themselves without a woman around to take care of them. And I didn't write this just because my daughter is standing next to me reading this.
 
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I agree with everyone's objections to Ram's completely uninformed and obviously enflaming question. However, I would submit that we are benefitted more by his posting this drivel and everyone posting their replies and distaste for his questions and implications than by simply deleting his message. "Don't ask, don't tell" never works. There is more than one reason to have a freedom of speech. Before we can combat ignorance, we need to acknowledge it. I personally am glad that he posted such horrible questions and even more happy to discover that the other people of JavaRanch, particularly those whose opinions on Java I respect, were upset by these posts and let their distaste for them known.
Now I did not ever see this person's other post so I cannot comment on their "retraction" and comment that they "did not mean that." However, I can comment on what the intentions of this post are, and for this we need to look at tone, context and choice of words. Ram titled his post, "Are Girls Dumber than Guys?" Now on the surface we can interpret this to mean, "Does anyone know whether there is an innate or physical difference in the level of intelligence of women versus that of men?" Of course, this statement makes a distinct point of remaining neutral on the final decision. It asks, is there a difference, whereas Ram's question places women below men and then asks for confirmation of this placement. As well, Ram's choice of words, "dumber" instead of a more neutral word without the connotations that "dumber" carries, puts a negative tone on this sentence. Given our world's current context, when people state questions in this manner, the connotation of the words gives it a new meaning. Note, this is not an implied meaning either, it is an explicit meaning of the question. When a person asks, "Is it true you're the dumbest person on the planet," there is no question that the speaker means, "You're an idiot, and I'm insulting you." It is explicitly stated from the choice of words, even without tone of voice as a consideration.
So Ram, you definitely were not asking a question, you were making a statement. And your statement says nothing of value about women, or "girls", nor about their intelligence, but instead speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge and understanding, as well as your insecurities.
I'd also add that in the end, it is likely impossible to make any statement positive or otherwise about the intelligence of a group of people. In particular because this grouping includes all men and women not yet born and asks us to make a decision about what level of intelligence they will have.
 
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I should used less active or less intense or less aggressive than using "dumb" .. but it is too late to correct now.

Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
[b]"Is Ram stupider than the rest of us?"


I depends on the company Ram is in.
[ April 26, 2003: Message edited by: Ram ]
 
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I agree with everyone's objections to Ram's completely uninformed and obviously enflaming question. However, I would submit that we are benefitted more by his posting this drivel and everyone posting their replies and distaste for his questions and implications than by simply deleting his message. "Don't ask, don't tell" never works. There is more than one reason to have a freedom of speech. Before we can combat ignorance, we need to acknowledge it.
Well said. I think I recognize the voice and style of a fellow libertarian, -- is that you, Herb?
Perhaps Ram could explain his intent. We bash him (her?) here on the mostly American discussion board, but is it OK to ask such a question in India? Or could it be the language barrier that transformed the "Are Intelligence Tests Biased?" question into the "Who is dumber.." one? Or maybe some Java programmers are simply racists and sexists?
Whatever the case, I agree with your point on keeping it alive, -- if nothing else, the purpose of this thread is to let Ram know how we feel.
Eugene.
[ April 26, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
but is it OK to ask such a question in India?


I am an Indian and I expressed my distaste for that remark. It isnt ok to be racist or sexist no matter who the person is or where the person is from. But that is my opinion and mine alone..
Words have consequences and while free speech is ok, I am also glad that Ram has been decent enough to accept the consequences of his statement.
On a side note, I agree with "Some Person".. I smell a Herb!!!
 
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Hi All,
What was wrong in what Ram had asked.
He just asked what he felt.Doesnt he have the right to ask this.
He might have had an experience or some feeling that girls are dumber than guys.He wants to know from the more experienced.If you are not interested dont reply.But dont go against what he asked by terminating the thread that sounds silly.Why are you people afraid to face the answer of what he had asked.
 
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What was wrong in what Ram had asked.
The question, how he formulated it, cannot be answered. "Dumbness", or in other word "intelligence", is a complex phenomenon with many dimensions, and measuring intelligence of a single given person is a non-trivial task. When we speak about "girls" vs. "boys" it is getting even less trivial. Only one observation, when we think about woman's intelligence, we often think about average or the dumbest woman we know. When we think about man's intelligence, we probably think about the most intelligent man we know. Not the dumbest, right? Or maybe it's just me. I know a lot of intelligent women, but if you asked me what I think about women intellectual abilities, they wouldn't be first to come to my mind. It's a stereotype at work, I am sure. An intelligent woman is not "typical woman", she is abnormal. When we say "woman", she is not whom we think about. In contrast, "dumb woman" *is* a "typical woman", she is what we normally think when the word "woman" is uttered.
Thank you for your attention, I need to go to bed...
[ April 28, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]
 
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Originally posted by <Support Ram>:
Why are you people afraid to face the answer of what he had asked.


Questions like that make the rest of us men look stupid (I'm not looking for any help in that regard!)
 
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Questions like that make the rest of us men look stupid (I'm not looking for any help in that regard!)


Whoever commented this.You are not feeling secured.Why such a doubt all of a sudden.Silly!!
Girls may be brilliant,it does not mean that others are fools.
The question was to who is more brilliant and not who is more a fool.
 
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At least when it comes to drive a car ...
 
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Originally posted by <Support Ram>:
What was wrong in what Ram had asked.
He just asked what he felt.Doesnt he have the right to ask this.


He has a right to ask anything he wishes, just as this site has the right to host any type of discussion it wishes. But more specifically, the question asked was sexist, phrased in such a way as to immediately slight women, and if it does not outright seek to try to invoke some kind of supremacist conclusion, it at least invites supremacist comments. This was also the reason for closing down his earlier thread concerning racial genetic supremacy.
I am not saying that Ram is actively trying to be inflammatory, however these threads have a very good chance of taking a turn towards a road we don't want to down. As nobody can genetically change their sex or race, conversation about genetic superiority would seem to only serve to hurt other people with little chance of adding anything positive. I didn't close this thread because I thought the debate we are now having might be productive.
[ April 28, 2003: Message edited by: Jason Menard ]
 
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Are girls dumber than guys ?



Well I've to admit that I was always beaten by girl in my academics I was always II and there was always the girl at no I position
 
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Originally posted by <Support Ram>:
Whoever commented this.You are not feeling secured.Why such a doubt all of a sudden.Silly!!
Girls may be brilliant,it does not mean that others are fools.


I got a better question: is a man or woman more likely to be concerned about which sex is dumber?
 
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I think that this is an excellent question to ask when you just can't find any other way to get women to pay attention to you.
HEY BABY! LOOKIT ME! LOOKIT ME!
Not only that, but it usually attracts the most interesting women.
And after you've been properly told off you can say "I can see now what a callous and ignorant clod I have been. I'm so grateful to have you show me the way to truth and wisdom. Allow me to make up for my past errors by buying you dinner."
Of course, if a woman falls for that line of crap ....
 
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Yes,There is also a another guy from Canada(I think) in javaranch forum who frequently posts such 'attractive' topics!!
 
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look!! close this thread .This is a meaniless
discussion .(Everybody knows that guys are smarter than girls).
 
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It doesn't matter which gender is more intelligent. The world revolves around women anyways. They embody life, hence they're the ones really in control. Any guy who tells you differently is deluding himself. (I say this and I'm a guy, just a secure one)
 
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Without reading previous posts, I am under the impression that girls are more smart on tactics, but guys are more smart on strategy. But these could be completely mis-conception.
 
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
Without reading previous posts, I am under the impression that girls are more smart on tactics, but guys are more smart on strategy. But these could be completely mis-conception.


Strategy and tactics are sides of the same coin.From one side its strategy where as from opposite side strategy is tactics and vice versa.You work for a company to outline the strategy for selling products.From your company's rival point,you are using tactics.
 
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Originally posted by <Capablanca Kepler>:

Strategy and tactics are sides of the same coin.From one side its strategy where as from opposite side strategy is tactics and vice versa.You work for a company to outline the strategy for selling products.From your company's rival point,you are using tactics.


To destroy india, pakistan does not need to use stragetic weapon, tactics weapon is good enough, once the war break out, china will try best to support pakistan, to eliminate india (not indian). because this meet china's long term interest.
it is that simple.
 
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Originally posted by Don Liu:

To destroy india, pakistan does not need to use stragetic weapon, tactics weapon is good enough, once the war break out, china will try best to support pakistan, to eliminate india (not indian). because this meet china's long term interest.
it is that simple.


Why are you going politically? We are not discussing here the war or the support of china.?
But I am giving you the answer :
If China supports Pakistan, then China and Pakistan would be same as Iraq. Both will not able to support anyone in future.
Got the answer, now come to the discussion point.
 
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ok, no politics.
 
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
ok, no politics.


Thanks. Same here.
 
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Originally posted by Don Liu:

To destroy india, pakistan does not need to use stragetic weapon, tactics weapon is good enough, once the war break out, china will try best to support pakistan, to eliminate india (not indian). because this meet china's long term interest.
it is that simple.


If you see from business perspective, China has captured a lot of Indian market in consumer sector especially toys,computer hardware,cosmetics etc thereby giving jobs to many Chinese.So eleminating India won't help China.
 
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let's not to talk politics
 
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