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Hi all,
i'll tell you a small story,a BUDHA story.i think all know him a little.he is the founder of 'budhism'.
one day a person was too angry to budha.angry man shouted a lot to budha and started sptting on his face for a conciderable amount of time.budha did nothing.he smiled to him.angry man continued spitting.budha also continued smiling to him.after a long time,angry man fed-up and gone.budha washed his face.
A person watched all these happenings.immediately after this incident,he asked budha "why u kept cool?.what is wrong with you?".budha answered like this,
"He is having a lot of internal tensions and toxins.he needed to remove all.so he spitted in my face.he spitt off all tensins in my face.now he is
relaxed.i also dont have any problom because i washed my face after his spitting."
budha was right?.or wrong?.what u thinks?.
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budha was right?.or wrong?.what u thinks?.
Budha was a very wise and courageous person. He achieved a spritual enlightenment that few have ever attained. I believe Budha was right. The real question is, how do we handle such circumstances? Does pride and indignation obscure our sense of right and wrong? Not that Budha would have been wrong to challenge the person for the sheer injustice of his acts, but instead chose love of a fellow human over love of self. Gandhi, acting in a similar manner, almost single-handedly kicked the Brittish Empire's ass by shaming them into submission. Having said all this, one still retains the right of self-defense and defense of innocents, so there is a limit to such humility.
 
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budha was right?.or wrong?.what u thinks?.


I thinks he was wet.
 
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if you are a budhist, budha was right.
grasshopper, to escape the wheel of life we must lose our attachment to the physical by seeing that it is an illusion
 
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originlly posted by michel morris:
I believe Budha was right


budha founded 'budhism' with a lot of values others can follow and live better.no doubt on it.but,budhism was'nt very populer during his life and death.
king 'ASOKA' made budhism populer.u know who asoka is?
Asoka was a cruel king of ancient india.he liked war a lot.he won lot of his war by decieving others.he enjoyed deception and won all the war.he was so cruel that he dont had any hesitation on killing innocent childrens and ladies during the war and after war.asoka expanded his empire by following 'deception' as the fundamental principle.after winning the war for his dreamland 'kalinga',he saw a lot of innocent ladies and children dead by his attack.it was the most cruel attack he ever made.this war changed his mind.
after 'kalinga' war,his mind transformed.he was attracted to budhism.he became a budhist.he spread budhism all over his empire.lot of people became budhists.he made a solid basement for budhism.

then the real questien,
suppose 'asoka' does'nt made his empire by decieving and killing others,budhism may not be populer.
OR
deceptive skills of 'asoka' made budhism populer.
so an 'intelligent' man will select what?,LIVING BY DECEPTION or LIVING BY VALUES?.
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Originally posted by basha khan:

Asoka was a cruel king of ancient india.
deceptive skills of 'asoka' made budhism populer.
so an 'intelligent' man will select what?,LIVING BY DECEPTION or LIVING BY VALUES?.
basha


Wrong, Wrong and Wrong!
Okay, let me contribute my two cents in here.
Basha, IMHO, your idea of Emperor Asoka winning by 'only deception' is not entirely accurate. He was a warrior prince, Grandson of Chandraguptha Mourya (321 B.C. - 298 B.C.), founder of the Mourya dynasty.
The period of Mourya dynasty was the golden ages of ancient India. Any Indian would know about SrirangaPattanam, and such great cities of Ancient India, where art and culture thrived ages before humans settled down in many other parts of this planet. For all that great art and culture, we are directly debted to Mourya dynastly.
Now, Prince Asoka was just as ambitious as his predecessors, and was very keen on spreading his empire to all corners of the South Asian subcontinent, which he did eventually. But, I am yet to come across any references about him being particularly deceptive, cunning or cruel. He was a great King, a scholar and a brave warrior. He lead and won many wars and the most bloodiest of which was the war against Kalinga - where his forces had to face not only the army of Kalinga, but the armed people of Kalinga, who were loyal to the rulers of Kalinga.
A bloody battle it was, but when the war was over, Emperor Asoka visited the battlefield and he was shocked by the loss and damage the war had caused to ordinary people. Important thing to notice at this point is that, he had already won the war, and there was no one to question him, but his own morality. All he did so far was exactly what a powerful, ambitious King would have done, YET the suffering of the normal people moved him, and he felt responsible for the pain and sorrow that is on the victims of the war.
He then starts practicing Budhism, uses rest of his life, power and influence to spread Budhism, which teaches the followers that greed is the reason for all the misery ? give up your needs and you will be more satisfied. He trains his son(s) and daughter Budhism and sends them to different parts of ancient India to spread peace and tranquillity. He did not leave behind a price when he gave up his crown ? he became a saint I suppose.
We in India respect Emperor Asoka a lot - for being a brave and ambitious prince, King and later an Emperor, and then for being a wise man to identity the evils of war, for spending his energy and resources on spreading a great religion which was about to end the class/caste distiction and such social evils, for spreading art, culture and for leading ancient India by example.
Okay, I checked many resources of the web as well, and never saw any particular remark about him being cruel or vicious - but all reads he was kind and did a lot to spread Budhism. So, to answer your last question, I think an intelligent person would live by his values, for example, Emperor Asoka.
Heck, my parents named me after Emperor Asoka, I should know!!
[ May 11, 2003: Message edited by: Ashok Krishnan ]
 
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Originally posted by Ashok Krishnan:

But, I am yet to come across any references about him being particularly deceptive, cunning or cruel. [/I]


My 2 cents ...
I dont know what it should be called but he killed his all brothers to get the kingdom.
He killed who ever came between him and his throne. [cruel is the right word I think.]
He was ambitious and his kingdom was 80% percent of current India + current Pakistan + parts of Afghanistan.
He was great, because he was never defeated.
Art and Culture flourished because he was rich. You know it was golden age.
You wont find on net that he was cruel. You have to read some really good historical book. And if you read any book, in the end you will find note that not much material is available on Ashoka.
For your surprise there is only one statue available till date which is suppose to be Ashoka's statue, historians are still not sure whether its Ashoka's statue or not.
No one knows the name of Kalinga's king who was defeated in that great war.
And Ashoka's contribution in spreading Budhism was limited to Sri Lanka , some east-south countries like Berma /Java/Sumatra and towards south asia (afghanistan etc.). Where these days no one follows Budhism.
But he was the only known king who accepted Budhism as his kingdom's religion in Indian history.
AW I think he was cruel [as per my knowledge abt him] before he accepted Budhism as Dharma.
But you see what happend after that ... his whole kingdom was destroyed.
His son and daughter where preaching budhism when his kingdom was being broken in to pieces.
 
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Originally posted by Ashok Krishnan:
I think an intelligent person would live by his values, for example, Emperor Asoka.


asoka lived by humen values,but only after his transformation to budhism.before,he was so cruel and liked war a lot.he got his kingdom by killing his brothers and by follwing his animalistic instincts,he continued war and made all his empire.he does'nt had any hesitation on doing anything to win the war(deception,killing innocents etc).he was renowed for his 'cruality'.but he become great after transformation to budhism.
but my questien is not about the 'cruality' of asoka but about the realities we are seeing in this world.
my questien is,if a person wanna win truly over people,how much he needs to be deceptive?.or broadminded?.
"dont fake urself".
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Which ruler in the whole history of mankind did not have a history of cruelity??? Killing brothers/competitors for the throne was common every where. Jahangir (son of the mughal emperor Shajahan who built Tajmahal) killed his 4 brothers and imprisoned his father for the throne. That's Moghul dynasty for you.
Ceaser was killed by his nephew!
So what's your point???
 
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Ceaser was killed by his nephew!
So what's your point???


my post was not about the 'cruality' test between ancient kings who are in different religeons.read my post again.
"dont be brainwashed.u may become silly"
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Queen Elizabeth II is rumoured to have had the late George VI savaged by her corgis in an attempt to prematurely ascend the throne.
Also in order to help her retain the title of Head Monarch for as long as possible, she managed to fool the British public that the Queen Mother was alive until her "death" last year. In fact the Queen Mother passed away in 1992 after an operation to remove a fishbone from her throat; she was then preserved by taxidermists and operated by Caroll Spinney (Big Bird) between shooting episodes of Sesame Street.
These are just further examples of some of the very brutal actions carried out by our leaders. Still, she does a wonderful job, smiling and waving and all that.
[ May 13, 2003: Message edited by: Richard Hawkes ]
 
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