Johannes' assigment log edititing????

[Peter Gragert]

Dear Johannes,
Direct editing of a log was not allowed for me. The permission
is in principle only by the 'owner' right?
While it is interesting, I looked at it several times, you (we)
should find out a means to do this 'professionally'?
Before 'programming' some servlet or the like, maybe the Sheriffs
point out a method already possible by the cgi-bin/ubb system.
(By the way, is it available for some-one (me)?)
Greetings
Peter

[Jane Griscti]

Hi Peter,
Bill and Joahnnes are already working on a better system ... a database, which will make Johannes life easier. Don't think the 'students' will be able to update it directly though.
Jane

[Pat Barrett]

Hello,
I initially thought that Johannes wanted us to edit the chart directly, but that is not allowed. After re-reading the original post, he said to "post to the topic" and then, "after you have posted, edit that post with any updates" (or something similar). At least, that's how I understood it.
Pat B.

[Johannes de Jong]

I changed my original posting asking you to post directly on to the Assigment log.
Thanks for your explanation Pat.
As for the database Jane, there is a draft idea, not worked out completely yet, that I sent to Bill, as you are a Bartender I'm prepared to let you have a copy, if you slow down on you assignments

[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited March 21, 2001).]

[Daniel Olson]

Johannes and Bill, instead of using a database for the assignment log, have you thought about using xml? For something as simple as the assignment log, it seems to me there would not be much benefit of using a database over xml. I have some examples of reading and writing to an xml file from a servlet, if you are interested.

[bill bozeman]

Daniel, send it over to me at [e-mail] I am not sure which way we will go yet. I usually develop with databases, that is why that was my first thought. The ability to query on how long assignments take, average attempts, calculate active users, etc... That is why I was thinking database. Not that we can't do that in XML, but I don't really know XML.
Let's all talk.
Bill

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

I'd like to see it, too, Daniel, please.
[e-mail]

[Johannes de Jong]

Pse send it to me as well Daniel, thanks for your interest. However I think my basic idea that I sent Bill might require a database. I worked on it a bit more last night, the idea. I will print it out and between work today I'll edit it and send it again.
Maybe we could start a small project team on this ? what do you think Marilyn ??

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

Sounds like it's worth trying.

[Johannes de Jong]

Has anybody got any experience with a virtual project ??. I dont , I suppose lots of projects here (JavaRanch) gets done that way , the update of the bunkhouse for example.

[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited March 23, 2001).]

[Daniel Olson]

Originally posted by bill bozeman:
I usually develop with databases, that is why that was my first thought. The ability to query on how long assignments take, average attempts, calculate active users, etc... That is why I was thinking database.

I am more familiar with databases too, and it may be the best way to do this project. However, I recently have started doing applications combining Java with XML and have been impressed with some of the things that combination enables a developer to do. Now everything I do I think, "Can I use XML for that?" When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
For the class log project, XML seems to make sense to me because the amount of data that we would need to manipulate is small and a database seems overkill unless you already have a database setup and ready to plug into. Using XML would be very portable--no tables to set up and might only require three or four small files that could be put somewhere in the servlet folder.
I would be interested in helping with the project. Maybe we could do two versions (database and XML) and then discuss what features we like and don't like about each version.
I have been rewriting my examples so that they fit the Class Log project better. I should have time this weekend to finish and will send the examples. So far Johannes, Bill, and Marilyn are interested in seeing the examples.

[Peter Gragert]

Hallo Daniel,
I am interested in the XML as well as database version.
At this moment I use 'ant' (thus XML) and 'junit' for a JAVA-applet project.
I am very interested in how nice by using XML a solution will look like and how it will work together with an cgi-bin/ubb.
Eventually I will even find some time to 'help'

[bill bozeman]

Maybe we could do two versions (database and XML) and then
discuss what features we like and don't like about each version.

I like that idea also. It would be nice to see the differnces and benefits of each. Let's first hammer down what data we want and then go from there. The data may just be what Johannes put in his table, but there may be some other ideas we want to throw around.
What does everyone suggest, do this via email, or create a new thread? I like the forum because others can jump in with ideas.
Bill

[Johannes de Jong]

I however would like to at least move this to another posting.
Did you get my draft document Bill?

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

You can't "move" part of a thread, but you can start a new thread for that topic.

[Johannes de Jong]

Originally posted by Marilyn deQueiroz:
You can't "move" part of a thread, but you can start a new thread for that topic.

When I said "move" I actually meant change location ie. a new Thread, sorry for the misunderstanding. Suggestions for a name?

[Peter Gragert]

Ok, but if possible try to inform interested people (me) automatically. Right?

[Johannes de Jong]

We wont inform people automatically Peter. You will have to check the thread from time to time yourself to keep informed.
Sorry just not enough hours in a day
oops had it in a say
[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited March 24, 2001).]

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

"Suggestions for a name?"

How about Assignment Log Project

[Johannes de Jong]

I like it, the logical name actually, you opening it Marilyn??