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Ruth or Bonds?
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Ruth or Bonds?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar03/s/2003/0716/1581348.html


Bonds,Barry Bonds
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I don't think you can compare Bonds with Ruth. Ruth hit 755 Home Runs. Whoopie. He has twice as many strike outs. And Bonds is good and all, but MLB has more games in the season now. So they have a better opportunity to hit more home runs.
You can't compare yesterday's pastime with today's pastime.
 
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Ruth hit 714 home runs. Hank Aaron hit 755.
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Ruth hit 714 home runs. Hank Aaron hit 755.


Oops. :roll:
So maybe this should be is Bonds better than Aaron instead of Ruth.
 
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Don't even get me started...
I still remember the night Hank hit 715. Al Downing, 0-2 count, fastball. Blam-o. It was a beautiful hit, smooth, graceful.
If you want to know what players like Bonds owe to a player like Aaron, look at a biography of Hammerin' Hank. To be a black player, even in the 70's, breaking the record of a white player...a tough business. I stll can't even imagine what kind of individual it takes to write a death threat over an achievement that should thrill us all.
But you can never put all those greats on a level playing field, except for the fun of argument. And records were made to be broken.
That said, we should also throw Sahadaru Oh into this discussion.
 
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
I don't think you can compare Bonds with Ruth. Ruth hit 755 Home Runs. Whoopie. He has twice as many strike outs.

??? Where did you get this? Bonds has 1368 strike outs. Ruth had 1330 strike outs.
I'll give all the stats for both in my next post.
 
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statruthbondsaaron
BA.342.296.305
SLG.690.599.555
OBP.469.430.374
SO1,3301,3681,383
BB2,0622,0061,402
HR714643755
3B1367498
2B</ td>506525624
H2,7832,5433,771
R2,1741,8982,174
AB8,3998,59112,364
G2,5032,5193,298

In addition, Ruth as a pitcher was 94-46 with a 2.28 ERA. He also had 17 shutouts.
 
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Homerunes to AB is an interesting stat. It basically measures how many AB's does it take for a player to hit one home run. The lower the number the more home runs the player hits.
Ruth - 11.7
Bonds - 13.3
Aaron - 16.4
 
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I don't think you can really compare players of such different eras. The balls and bats are nowhere near the same.
Some will argue that pitching is more diluted now with more teams. But you also have specialized pitchers today. The closer who comes in and throws smoke for 3-6 outs. That didn't exist in Ruths' era. Weight training is another difference. Even when I was groing up it was taboo for baseball players to spend much time lifting.
The HR per AB is probably the best stat for comparison.
 
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McGwire, I think, holds the lead in that category. I remember for certain stretches, early in the season, he'd sit around 1 HR/ 9 AB. Might be somewhere in the 10's lifetime. Scary.
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Might be somewhere in the 10's lifetime. Scary.

10.6 lifetime.
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
McGwire, I think, holds the lead in that category. I remember for certain stretches, early in the season, he'd sit around 1 HR/ 9 AB. Might be somewhere in the 10's lifetime. Scary.


Too bad he had so many stretches in his career where he couldn't stay healthy.
 
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