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[political] What defines a Political Conservative?

 
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Oooh, play nice now kiddies:
What defines a Political Conservative?
Shame that (for balance) there wasnt a corresponding article for Liberals, but I thought the article made for interesting reading.
 
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From UC Berkeley, huh?
 
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Apparently so. Well it did say "UC Berkeley News" at the top of the page last time I looked. :roll:
 
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Here is an article discussing that article.
 
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And here is the text (warning: PDF, 7 MB) itself.
I was thinking about posting the link for discussion, but then decided it's too offensive even for MD. Apparently everybody already read it.
Mark: Shame that (for balance) there wasnt a corresponding article for Liberals
Who would write this article? I never saw prevalence of liberals in academy as a problem, but after this research I started to wonder whether/how authors own political believes affected their results, and what these results would be if the research was made by four conservatives...
Of course, articles like the one Paul linked to do not help either.
Liberals have often hinted there was something deeply wrong with conservatives, but now they have "academic" support for their position.
It's not something new. If you read the text, you'll see that this line of reasoning has a long tradition.
One of them, Jack Glaser of UC Berkeley, said, "[Conservatives] are more comfortable seeing and stating things in black and white in ways that would make liberals squirm. … The latest debate about the possibility that the Bush administration ignored intelligence information that discounted reports of Iraq buying nuclear material from Africa may be linked to the conservative intolerance for ambiguity and need for closure."
Surely the professor can do better than that. This example tends to demonstrate the liberals' lack of nuance more than the conservatives', as do many other examples I'll give you. Can't these paragons of complexity understand that Bush's words were at most ill advised based on disputed, not phony intelligence? Don't they understand that a lie involves the intent to deceive, not just arguably erroneous information? Further, can't they grasp that this was not even one of the major reasons we used to attack Iraq?

C'mon now. Where did Jack Glaser of UC Berkeley said that it was "the major reasons we used to attack Iraq". This is a psychological research, not political. And if you think about what was really said, it's diametrically opposite to "lie" and "the intent to deceive".
The rest is just political rant that has nothing to do with the research...
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]
 
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[Map]: I was thinking about posting the link for discussion
Hey, what happened to "From now on, I am not going to use articles AT ALL! JUST SAY NO! NO MORE ARTICLES!"? You told us you were going to stop, Map.
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]
 
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What defines a Political Conservative?


I suspicion our founding fathers would condemn us all as being hopelessly liberal.
 
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I suspicion our founding fathers would condemn us all as being hopelessly liberal.
No!! Not at all. We are merely continuing the fight they had amongst themselves after they created the country. George Washington's integrity in not turning the President into a King set an example for all future Presidents to follow. This exchange of the Presidential position led to the current political jockying between the two groups. Strong Federal Gov't vs. Strong Individual Rights. I ~believe~ Hamilton and Jefferson were the leaders of the opposing fighters. This led to our two-party system.
We were VERY, VERY lucky that, unlike so many other young countries, the leaders did not really turn to bloodshed to settle their differences. (or at least not on a large scale as Hamilton was killed by a political opponent in a duel.) OR we could say that they didn't turn to bloodshed on a large scale immediately after the country's birth--> the Civil War in some ways was a completion of the Declaration of Indepedence - (Again we were VERY, VERY lucky to have survived a Civil War).
 
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Originally posted by Mark Fletcher:
Oooh, play nice now kiddies:
What defines a Political Conservative?
Shame that (for balance) there wasnt a corresponding article for Liberals, but I thought the article made for interesting reading.


One of the greatest economists of the past century, Ludwig Von Mises (author of the masterpiece Human Action), wrote a book on the motivations of those opposed to inequality (tolerance of inequality being mentioned as a key indicator of conservatism in original cited article) in "The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality". Mises published his book in the 1920s I believe, so this type of bickering has been going on for a while. However, Mises is, and was, more famous and well respected than the authors of the Berkely study. He hammers the Left/Socialists pretty hard...
 
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It boggles my mind that the researchers honestly believed they could liken Reagen to Hitler and Mussolini and not have their motivations called into question. I have some fairly liberal friends that were just appalled when I sent them this article to read, in their opinion, it gives liberals a bad name.
 
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Eric Fletcher: I have some fairly liberal friends that were just appalled when I sent them this article to read, in their opinion, it gives liberals a bad name.
That it was presented as scholarly research gives elite universities a bad name.
 
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Are Stanford and Berkley rivals? I wondered if it had anything to do with Connie Rice being the ex-Berkley provost?
 
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Are Stanford and Berkley rivals?
Apparently...
 
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Jonah Goldberg took few moments to mock the research. Unfortunately he makes a genuine attempt to be serious during much of it, which seems to restrain his usual level of ironic insight and disorganized clarity.
 
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Are Stanford and Berkley rivals?
I couldn't access whatever Map linked to, but the answer is yes, in many things. They have comparable reputations in a lot of areas, and they're physically near each other. And they're both in the same sports conference, Pac-10. You can bet they'd consider each other as rivals more than they would, say, UCLA, Cal Tech, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or, well, anyone.
However that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of collaborations between the two, and this particular bit of research seems to be such a collaboration (along with someone from University of Maryland). So I doubt rivalry has much to do with this particular issue.
I wondered if it had anything to do with Connie Rice being the ex-Berkley provost?
You misspelled "Stanford" here I think.
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I couldn't access whatever Map linked to

The Siroker Brothers: A blog by identical twins separated by rival universities
Growing up near Stanford, I imagined going to Berkeley would be a major shock. It wasn’t. My dorm looks and feels just like Dan’s was at Stanford. The campus is beautiful just like Stanford’s is. The people—peers, TAs, and professors—are all friendly and smart just as I imagine they are at Stanford. The current description of this site, “A blog by identical twins separated by rival universities,” might as well be “A blog by rival twins separated by identical universities.” The essential difference of course is that Berkeley’s homeless could kick Palo Alto’s homeless’ asses any day of the week (except maybe Tuesday).
 
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You misspelled "Stanford" here I think.
Well so much for that theory... (If ever I go to politics I'll be sure to hire your P.R. firm!!! )
 
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