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Cascading power outages along East Coast

 
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Sometimes I wish I were a horse so that I didn't have to worry about the electric power. Or maybe even a bacteria, so that I wouldn't see or feel the pain of dependencies.
 
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But if you were a horse, then there is no pain associated with a power outage: the electric fences won't work. Of course, if you are a horse and really need a night light by which to go to sleep, then you are in trouble
And I'm pleased to say that the Greater Philadelphia Metropolotian Area knew nothing about this until we turned on our news...we're only two and a half hours away from NYC, but on a completely different grid.
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Poor New Yorkers. They do not deserve this kind of emergency again. I heard that computer software had something to do with the outage cascading although the cause of the problem was not computer software related.
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
Sometimes I wish I were a horse so that I didn't have to worry about the electric power. Or maybe even a bacteria, so that I wouldn't see or feel the pain of dependencies.


Lower life forms are behaviorily less flexible in adating to environmental changes. This lessor degree of flexibility results in greater pain on average since it decreases the probablity of a successful behavioral response to change. Change, of course, being the only constant in our universe.
Lower life forms also feel pain as well and suffer from other dependencies.
 
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Poor New Yorkers. They do not deserve this kind of emergency again.
At least it wasn't raining. Living on the eigth floor was no joke. That's 10 flights in my building and no lights!!
It was fun last night to walk around the city. A 9/12-ish feeling except no one was mourning. We got a day off out of it, too...
Good Question: Where was Hillary??? (our future president :roll: :roll: )
 
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Sympathy and wise-cracks
Incidentally, 3,000 French have died in the recent heatwave spanning three weeks.
Many times more than SARS worldwide.A case of too much (solar) energy.
French heatwave may have killed 3000
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from the link by HS Thomas:
"Now we understand why they (Americans) have been unable to get the electricity running in Baghdad," said 47-year-old engineer Ghassan Tombin in the Gulf Arab country of Dubai.


This is great! I now have a great answer to my ultra-liberal Euro-buddies.
 
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This is great! I now have a great answer to my ultra-liberal Euro-buddies.
It did come under the title Wisecracks or was this Sympathy ?
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Wisecracks!
But next time I'm getting slammed b/c we still don't have electricity in Baghdad I'll simply say: "we can't even handle our own cities' electricity... so why do you think we'd be able to handle someone elses?"
 
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I do empathise! The pictures in the paper today were 1000 times more startling than the news reels I had listened to earlier. New York in the summer with no electricity is unthinkable. But you New Yorkers pulled through once again. It is easy to say it shouldn't have happened.
The 3000 French dying in the heat shouldn't have happened either. Perhaps there was too much ultra-liberalism there.
We all learn from mistakes and following the inquiries in detail.
Notice how the Germans and Italians did not give a count saying the deaths could not be attributed to the heat alone and that there were other factors to be considered.
It is these lessons that all draw from to make a better society to hopefully benefit all.
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I do empathise! The pictures in the paper today were 1000 times more startling than the news reels I had listened to earlier. New York in the summer with no electricity is unthinkable. But you New Yorkers pulled through once again. Trust me, it wasn't that bad. All my friends agreed it was a big inconvenience but that's it. It did remind us of 9/11 when we were all walking home from downtown. We remember, quite well, how much 9/11 sucked. At least there were not hundreds of 'Missing' posters lining the streets. I lived in a very young neighborhood at that time and I'll NEVER forget the pictures stating, "My Husband is Missing..." or "My Wife is Missing" with pictures of VERY young spouses!!!
The bars here were still open and people were making the most of it. I was a good husband and walked around town with my wife to just check out the city in a very unusual state. It sounded like people were having fun in the neighborhoods we passed through. We came home to lots of candles and a quiet neighborhood. I told my wife that if we rented a cabin upstate and did this we'd be saying, "OHHHHHHHHHH HONEY, isn't it wonderful to be away from the city and enjoy the peace and quiet and to just rough it for a change???"

It is easy to say it shouldn't have happened.
The 3000 French dying in the heat shouldn't have happened either. Perhaps there was too much ultra-liberalism there.
We will have folks die here too if it hits over 100F for a few days straight. Usually the infirm or the elderly. So, I imagine the the lastest heat wave in France is in the same ballpark only for a longer period. I don't think any country would be able to handle an unusual extended period of extreme heat. Of course the polititians are going to use it to debunk their enemies. That is happening here too.
 
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I expect you escaped the worst of it then. Our paper had pictures of at least a 100 exhausted people sleeping on some library steps and a blacked out city against a skyline with the sun setting behind it.Not to mention the aerial views of what looked like an army of marching ants filling the street. Expect it was taken before the photographer dashed back home. Not very pleasant!
Politicians, what would you do without them ?
 
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It was nowhere near as bad as 1977. Yes, people slept on the steps of the library and at the airports but everyone made it through OK. The best part was that NYers showed why NYC is the greatest city in the world.
 
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... NYC is the greatest city in the world.
Depends on one's criteria, of course. By my standards, it's the worst city that I have visited so far in US. I just returned from a one-day trip to NYC and when I got back to my rural home, I felt relieved. NYC reminds me of a third-class zoo where the animals are kept in very small stinky cages and some of the animals may even feel comfortable in there because they were born in captivity.
Has anyone come up with the idea of t-shirts with "I don't love NYC" yet? You know, a little red heart between the "I" and "NYC", with the thick black "X" over the heart?
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Has anyone come up with the idea of t-shirts with "I don't love NYC" yet?
I think bin Laden was selling those...
 
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... NYC is the greatest city in the world.


It's the atmosphere of being in a great culture. And it's so inclusive.
There's something for everyone.
Mind you, the Hotel I stayed in overlooking Central Park , quite close to 5th Avenue was very run down.I expect it was roach infested too.
So location,location,location doesn't apply when looking for a good hotel.
But that still didn't put me off. NY is great.
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The viruses and now the power outage.
Soon they will bring Skynet online and it will be the end for everything
 
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Hi Billy.
Why is Skynet online , a satellite communications provider , so bad ?
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EK: NYC reminds me of a third-class zoo where the animals are kept in very small stinky cages and some of the animals may even feel comfortable in there because they were born in captivity.
Eugene, please help:
NYC Animals
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
By my standards, it's the worst city that I have visited so far in US.

Thank God! I wa afraid that you might like it and move here. But then I should have realized that people like you are happier in... simpler environs.
 
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I got to participate in the largest outage in US history while on Manhattan. It was quite a thing not to see Times Square or the Chrysler building at night. Like a massive camping jamboree where eveyone forgot flashlights.
My own experience started with a walk down 29 flights of stairs, then 70 blocks or so north from Pearl & Whitehall through the Financial District, Tribeca, Canal and a lot of emerging darkness up to 51st and Broadway to find my sister, then thankfully a completely-jammed couple of busses to get to 159th & Amsterdam. In dress shoes, mind you. My sweet were swollen for two more days after that.
No one liked it, but the city was calm everywhere I went. And while there were more than a few gougers and opportunists to be found, there were also some smart business owners out there, giving away ice cream, selling beers for $2, and happily calling out the names of their establishments, while I *will* be going back to.
As to the midtown rental car agencies who wanted between 350 and 500 bucks to rent a compact for a week, here's a nice commercial for you: Avis and Enterprise, bite me.
 
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As to the midtown rental car agencies who wanted between 350 and 500 bucks to rent a compact for a week, here's a nice commercial for you: Avis and Enterprise, bite me.


Just so you know, $350 is the minimum price for renting a car in midtown manhattan under normal circumstances. This wasn't gouging. It's just their normal outrageously high rates.
 
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But the cab drivers charging $200-$300 to go to Queens were
Other than that, people were helpful. Sometimes you forget about your sense of community. At work today, almost everyone had a story about how someone did something nice.
 
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"... New York was now “Baghdad on the Hudson.” And in fact, the New York Times ran an amusing little story on the reaction in Baghdad, which, you may have heard, has had its own problems with the occasional blackout. The generous Iraqis even offered tips to sweaty Americans, often with tongue planted firmly in cheek. My favorite: Appoint Saddam Hussein to oversee the repair of the grid.
"Saddam had the electricity back two months after the last war," said Maythum Hatam, a computer-science student. "With his methods, you would have electricity right away, but you must expect to lose some workers."
 
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Originally posted by Jeanne Boyarsky:
But the cab drivers charging $200-$300 to go to Queens were


There was a story in the NY Daily News about this. A pregnant woman was trying to get home to Queens and all she had was $40. No cab driver would take her for less than $200. A guy in a Lincoln Continental offers her a ride. She tries to give him the $40 but he refuses telling her that he is a plumber not a cab driver. He filled up his car with strangers heading his way and drove off to Queens.
 
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Levi, If it makes you feel any better, the Lower East Side didn't get their power back until Friday 9:30pm either.
Thomas, that's a really nice story in the Daily News. Thanks for relaying it.
 
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Nasa's before blackout and after satellite images.
About 20 hours before the blackout:
Pre- blackout
About 7 hours after the blackout:
Post-Blackout
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This is awesome too:
No it's not a magnified eyeball, but an ozone hole.


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