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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I am not seeking to highlight how evil you are. I do not think you are evil. But if you will continue to close your eyes, turn back and blame the messengers when shown some results of your actions, eventually you will become evil.
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What about the million who died uder Sadaam? Why is it that you never cried about them? I guess what Joe is saying that some people only complain when it is the US doing the killing. Stalin said one death is a tragedy but a million deaths is just a statistic. Your posts seem to suggest that you believe that as well.Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I am listening to mourning about 9/11 victims today, and I cannot stop thinking about uncounted thousands of Iraqis who died in 2003. Will anybody ever utter their names? Probably not. Their death isn't glorified.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
What about the million who died uder Sadaam? Why is it that you never cried about them? I guess what Joe is saying that some people only complain when it is the US doing the killing. Stalin said one death is a tragedy but a million deaths is just a statistic. Your posts seem to suggest that you believe that as well.
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I guess I would be more impressed if you occasionally posted about suffering that Americans didn't inflict. It seems that the only suffering you ever see is that which America causes never the suffering that America tries to relieve. For example, I don't recall you posting about Liberia.Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
You see everything on symbolic and impersonal level, and I am more interested in personal and existential experience, and I do not know which trigger to use to change your perceptions.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
You see everything on symbolic and impersonal level, and I am more interested in personal and existential experience, and I do not know which trigger to use to change your perceptions.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Is this what called empathy? I read somewhere that people with hightened ability to empathize end up absorbing all the pain of this world (because this is the strongest of emotions) which often lead to depressions. You believe in God, right? Maybe this helps...
Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
Didn't you say that love conquers all, in the thread dedicated to your son yet to be born?
Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
While I agree that everybody needs to be responsible and to acknowledge the consequences of their actions, it is my opinion that America is not evil, and in fact is far from it.
Due to the nature of our political process, we occasionally get some real turkeys in office, but they get thrown out. Remember, it was in America that the most powerful man in the world voluntarily resigned his office, at the will of the people, without a shot being fired. We make mistakes, but in general we do pretty good.
However, what we get totally pissed off about is the world complaining about how bad we are, yet you don't say a damned thing when obvious evil stares you in the face. Saddam Hussein was EVIL. Period. Up there with Hitler and Amin. He had to go, nobody else would do it, so we got rid of him. And yet we still have to listen to how the rich Iraqis don't have cheap gas anymore.
What alternative would you have preferred? The only ones I can see are Hussein staying in power, or us launch some sort of Mission Impossible suicide assassination attack. Heck, we actually TRIED asking him nicely to leave, but that didn't work. And since it was clear that the UN was populated by obstructionists, what could we do?
What would you have done? Rather than complain about the actions, how about providing some alternate solutions?
Joe
Let's phrase this correctly. Suppose you are leader of a sovreign nation and have murdered more than 1,000,000 people both in neighboring countries and your own country. Let's also suppose that you support terrorist groups that attack other sovreign nations. Would you be surprised that someone might take offense at this and kick you out?Originally posted by Tarun Sukhani:
Imagine you are the leader of a sovereign nation (irregardless of how you got elected, enthroned, etc. - note that the UN does not make a distinction in this regard; what matters is that your nation is sovereign), and some other leader of another sovereign nation decides you ain't that good a leader, how would you feel if he asked you to get the F**K out?
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Originally posted by Tarun Sukhani:
Saddam Hussein is up there with Hitler, huh? I didn't know Saddam masterminded the eradication of 12 million members of the human popluation that his regime considered human excrement, or that he published racially motivated literature, or that his master plan included the conquest of Europe and ultimately, the world...wow, thanks for that tidbit!
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Let's phrase this correctly. Suppose you are leader of a sovreign nation and have murdered more than 1,000,000 people both in neighboring countries and your own country. Let's also suppose that you support terrorist groups that attack other sovreign nations. Would you be surprised that someone might take offense at this and kick you out?
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Proof of what? The million dead? You can check with the Iranians and the Kurds to check those numbers. Support of terrorism? It is well known that Iraq supported terrorist groups like Hamaas in Palestine. They even paid off the families of suicide bombers! So what exactly are you looking for proof of?Originally posted by R K Singh:
My God .. I am tired of asking proof .. and one is not tired of not giving any proof ..
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When Bush gave his speech after 9/11 two years ago, he said that this was not a war against Al Queda but a war against all terrorists and the states that support them. He specifically named Iraq, North Korea, and Iran. So what exactly is your problem?Originally posted by R K Singh:
Terrorism.. first decide GW-2 was "war of libralisation" or "war against terrorism".
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If you kill people inside your house then the police will definitely have an interest, don't you think?Originally posted by R K Singh:
And third .. how do I live in my home should not bother anyone else.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
If you kill people inside your house then the police will definitely have an interest, don't you think?
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Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
Sarcasm is usually not a good way to have a realistic discussion about politics.
It can come off as condescending, and will tend to outweigh any real points you might have.
That aside, the issue of my believing Hussein to be Evil (with a capital 'E') is based on the fact that he slaughtered people whom he was responsible to protect.
You act like one million is somehow less meaningful than 12 million; it makes it sound like you have some cutoff point - under some number and slaughter is acceptable. Me, I don't have any such belief. One victim can be as Evil as one million.
Joe
Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
So Joe, do you think it is moral or immoral to kill 1000 people to save 1,000,000? (whether it should be done is a totally different question).
Originally posted by Tarun Sukhani:
Strangely enough, the former is exactly how Europeans who settled in the Americas singled out the native population.
Originally posted by Tarun Sukhani:
Strangely enough, the former is exactly how Europeans who settled in the Americas singled out the native population..
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
That is an odd way to look at history but you might want to think about this. the colonists lived peacefully with the Indians in North America until the early 1600's when the Indians rose up and almost destroyed the white population.
Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
a genocidal monster who is slaughtering his own people"
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
which year are you talking about
Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
But I believe we have made great strides in the last generation or two in enabling native Americans to regain a certain economic status while at the same time keeping their original culture.
It is our constant striving to move forward (not without the occasional backwards misstep) that makes this country great.
Joe
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