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I have this micro-site dedicated to Ghulam Ali for quite some time and I belive so far this has been the largest source of information on the subject. Recently I have noticed that some ppl have blantantly copied my articles, listing and have pasted it verbatim on their sites. I have no problems if someone uses my matertial for personal use for free; but I would like to be rightfully asociated with my work, how can I deal with this? Has someone faced a similar problem , how would you guys tackle it?
My original site is -
http://www.geocities.com/technofundo/fun/music/ga/index.html
The 2 copyright violations I have found so far are -
http://www3.sympatico.ca/daljit.grewal/ghazalspage10.htm
http://www.ghazalsworld.20m.com/Artists/GA_Main.htm
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It should be made harder to copy and paste off the web site.
But think of all the fun that's taken away!

If you retrieve a stack of magazines froma recycle bin and cut it up to make a collage, or work of art is that a violation ?
Similarly , with web sites that consist of bits copied from other web sites. How exactly is the information you have on your website your own ?
You have a list of music (gazhals).I haven't tried to play any of them but I'd question whether you have the "rights" to play them.
Is it the look-and-feel that you regard as stolen from your site?
It's hard rationalising what you can use and can't.
Getting agreement from all copyright holders (in your case , you and the persons who produced te Ghazals, in turn the artistes who performed) would be prohibitive enough.
Copying images from the web
Copyright and Copying Wrongs: A Web Rebalancing Act

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[ September 15, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
 
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
It should be made harder to copy and paste off the web site.
But think of all the fun that's taken away!

If you retrieve a stack of magazines froma recycle bin and cut it up to make a collage, or work of art is that a violation ?
Similarly , with web sites that consist of bits copied from other web sites. How exactly is the information you have on your website your own ?
You have a list of music (gazhals).I haven't tried to play any of them but I'd question whether you have the "rights" to play them.
Is it the look-and-feel that you regard as stolen from your site?
It's hard rationalising what you can use and can't.
Getting agreement from all copyright holders (in your case , you and the persons who produced te Ghazals, in turn the artistes who performed) would be prohibitive enough.
Copying images from the web
Copyright and Copying Wrongs: A Web Rebalancing Act

regards
[ September 15, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]


Well,
To start with you can't play a song from my site and I have mentioned it on the very first page itself. Secondly, it took me 1-2 months to get this material on Ghulam Ali, and I have listed those songs (ghazals) from my own collection of CDS and cassettes and have spent hours searching for a particular lyricist (Shaayar) (Mind you, not many of his albums mention name of the lyricist). I have scanned and modified images myself, and I have written all the contents of this site myself. I have created the database and I have done the coding for search n all. My intention is to make all this information available to anyone for free, since no such information was available 2 years back when I started this work. Sometime in the future, if I have enough money, I might buy a domain and dedicate the site to Ghualm Ali. I have absolutely no problems if someone uses it for free for his personal use, many newspapers and online articles, sites have provided link to this site. The site ranks #1 or #2 in google search. It indeed is a result of lot of hard work.
I have no problems if somebody quotes a paragraph from my article and acknowledges it that it comes from me, but some sites have simply copied article verbatim from my site and have presented as if it is *their* work, (all my ASP-database search turned into HTML pages and put on their site) and this is where it hurts. I have no intensions of making it difficult to copy and I will be the last person to do so. But I do expect ppl to acknowledge the fact that the work belongs to me. People who visit my site frequently do know this, and many of them are regulars here.
Anyway, I was just wondering if sending mail to these guys might help? Any other suggestion?
- Manish
 
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I know this is going to sound curt, it is not my intention. But I must ask: was your purpose for doing the work to promote Ghualm Ali or yourself? If the former, it sounds as though you were successful. On the bright side; the things you learned by going through the excersize no one can steal from you - take advantage of that.
One time I gave a large sum of money to someone who needed it only to watch as they wasted it. Naturally, I was pissed off unitl I asked myself the question: did I give it or loan it? I can live with myself; he can't!
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I found the following information from here
"If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted."
This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. There are some old works that lost protection without notice, but frankly you should not risk it unless you know for sure.
It is true that a notice strengthens the protection, by warning people, and by allowing one to get more and different damages, but it is not necessary. If it looks copyrighted, you should assume it is. This applies to pictures, too. You may not scan pictures from magazines and post them to the net, and if you come upon something unknown, you shouldn't post that either.
The correct form for a notice is:

"Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]"
You can use C in a circle � instead of "Copyright" but "(C)" has never been given legal force. The phrase "All Rights Reserved" used to be required in some nations but is now not legally needed most places. In some countries it may help preserve some of the "moral rights."

And here is some information on the Berne copyright convention:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html
http://www.lgu.com/publications/softcopy/7.shtml
I would send the people a "polite" email message letting them know that they need to at least give credit to the original author (you).
KEEP ALL DOCUMENTS EXCHANGED WITH THESE PEOPLE in case you have to persue more drastic measures.
 
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:

I would send the people a "polite" email message letting them know that they need to at least give credit to the original author (you).
KEEP ALL DOCUMENTS EXCHANGED WITH THESE PEOPLE in case you have to persue more drastic measures.


That's all I ask for, just give credit where it's due! Thanks for the info Gregg. I think I should send a polite mail anyways... I have no probs if somebody just puts the same image on his website though, but if you follow the links I have given, you'll notice that it's more than that. Anyway!
Donald your point is well taken, my intention is to help fellow fans of Ghulam Ali with the information. But opinions that I have expressed about his songs, comparison with Mehadi Hassan are all my words, my feelings, my opinions and someone making it look as if it is his work seems unfair to me. Imagine this - I visit JavaRanch, and if I just copy one article explaing struts (just an example) and put it on my site verbatim, without mentioning the Author's name (leave alone asking for permission), is this fair?
There's one Nita who has done an awesome work on Urdu Poetry and lyrics of most of the songs I have listed on my site are available at her site, I could have just copied the complete lyrics and posted them in my database so that I can make it available from my site itself. But I have chosen to provide link to her site instead coz after all her work is her baby, I can't just copy it and claim it to be mine. Not everybody thinks likewise though and the NET is a strange community....
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Originally posted by Donald R. Cossitt:
One time I gave a large sum of money to someone who needed it only to watch as they wasted it. Naturally, I was pissed off unitl I asked myself the question: did I give it or loan it? I can live with myself; he can't!
Respectfully submitted.


Very well said Donald, really loved it!
- Manish
 
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Well I was trying to be objective about the subject. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
I didn't spot any article and the only similarity I saw was the song list.
Yeah, articles would strike a sense of ownership. That coupled with
the desire that it would be re-produced as many times in order that
it would promote your work and bring you fame. There's no way of
authenticating the original owner when words and thoughts are scrambled.

The issue begs the question : What came first, the chicken or the egg ?

If the article really is to be taken that seriously,perhaps
a Bibliography should be included with the article.
How can any piece of work claim to be truly original ?
Copyrighted it must be that the very same article does not get
published under someone else's name.
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manish,
i have "stolen" stuff from the internet for sites ive made (mostly images which i usually end up editing anyway). my sites get very few visitors though. if i were to copy an entire article i would give a credit or a link. i most certainly wouldnt try to pass it off as my own work. to answer your question, an e-mail would work on me. i would remove the offending material or give a credit or whatever the email demanded.
 
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Hmmm,
I have also noticed that one of them is actually coducting Ghulam Ali concerts and he has cpoied ALL songs in the same sequence (not to mention images) as HTML pages of *HIS* site. I am sending him a mail right away...
- Manish
 
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